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The Job Centre Seminar: Wed 5th Dec

I attended a seminar about setting up a business laid on by the job centre. I'm sat there and there's this nice looking Indian girl sat on the other side of the room. We catch each other's eyes a couple of times, and after hearing that she does fashion design from the intros i needed no further encouragement and go over to chat to her in the lunch break. I ask her what style she designs and she looks very pleased to see me come over. We go straight into intense eye contact whilst chatting about fashion and architecture.

After 5 mins of great chat in which the rest of the room seemed to not exist any more, we head back to our seats. At the end of the seminar I head over and challenge her about something she'd said in the seminar. This is nice and flirtatious and then some dude interjects asking if she can put studs on his mate's jacket. He asks for her number then walks off. I then hand her my phone and tell her to put her number in too. She then asks for mine, we chat some more, and I establish she has poor knowledge of local bars in our neighbourhood.

I text her later that night telling her I'm disspointed she doesn't know anything about the cool bar scene round here. She responds telling me I should introduce her to it... I intend to.

Update 11th Dec

Dates

I have been on a few dates recently and have started to escalate with each girl a lot better and a hell of a lot quicker than before. I am grabbing the girls by the hand more and leading. I am also creating more kissing opportunities by invading their space more from the get go and holding prolonged eye contact whilst holding their arm, elbow or hand. I am still a little cautious though in some of these instances, and if they turn their head as I go for the kiss I shouldn't be disheartened so quickly. Why stop if they haven't told me otherwise?

Approaches

Today I was out with Riz and he told me a few home truths about how slack my attitude had become since last week's instant date make-out. I had become very complacent and let things slide, putting little effort or energy into my game or my interactions. Thus, the one number I had got this week on the streets was meaningless and didn't respond.

As a result, instead of me sliding off to the pub, he got me to stay out another couple of hours... and what a difference it made! Tonight I just felt like saying what I saw and I became a lot more direct and genuine with the girls, telling them they were either 'hot', 'beautiful' or 'gorgeous'. I was also projecting my voice more with each approach.

The best bit though was, once I'd got warmed up I was getting right up in their faces again and holding their eye contact. The best one of the day was a Thai girl who I had pretty much in my arms starring into my eyes. Looking back it felt like a potential make-out scenario... but she eventually revealed she was married.

This was an awesome end to the day.

Mate you forgot to mention the mother and daughter set, i think its useful to the other guys to write something about that experience.

even though there was a language barrier personally i think body language means more than the chat.

it would be cool to sum that up

I did my first mother daughter approach. The mother didn't speak English so I got quite phased by it all... when in fact this could have made it easier! The big downfall was my body language though, I was merely facing and communicating with the girl, but not the mother. I should have involved them both... the mother would have known the score.

Follow up game: the wkd away & the mini-date - 21st Dec

Girl 1

So I rang this girl a week later and she asked me to come down for the wkd. I thought I may as well, a lay was looking good (and I've not had one of those for a while). She comes to meet me at the station and takes me straight to her flat. We listened to some music, she poured me some ale and within a couple of hours I was banging her.

Not much else to add to this... I didn’t end up seeing much of Bristol in the couple of nights I was there, but I was otherwise entertained. It wasn’t all about banging though. She cooked a few different Chinese dishes for me, and one evening sat on the bed playing guitar and singing for me… this was definitely the highlight.

So, as I left she told me she wants to come up to Manchester in Jan. I’ll tell her to bring her guitar.


Girl 2

The same day I was departing for Bristol another girl, Sophia the Teacher, told me she wanted to give me my Christmas card. I told her to come meet me for an hour for a coffee before I got the train.

I was very laid back and un-expectant, as I'd seen her a couple of times before and she quite resistant to the physical contact I tried to initiate. I had also tried to kiss her when she blatantly wasn’t ready for that sh*t. This is something I’m slowly calibrating now… no more planned awkward ‘goodbye kisses’, I’ve got to live in the moment!

Today however, I held her eye contact a lot better, and she was looking at my lips when I talked. I got nice and close to her and I omitted the unnecessary opportunist physical contact. We chatted about random funny stuff and then I spotted a nice moment to go for the kiss, and she accepted. We didn't quite make out, but hey this was progress as she seems a bit shy about it all.


General

A lot of the girls in my phone are now either suggesting meeting up or at least dropping hints they want to see me. Also, a couple of the old ones who I'd stopped messaging have resurfaced. Now they see I don’t care so much, and can no longer feel the neediness I used to omit, they all seem more interested. My phonebook is beginning to show signs of abundance... now I just need a few more results/reference experiences to reflect this in reality.

Inspirational shit, nova.

Any beginner/intermediate needs to read this thread (the ENTIRE thread!). There is an evident path of progress and improvement, but at the same time doesn't look like it's all plain sailing. Nova, I salute you!

Post Christmas Dates

Girl 1: Thurs night

Met up with the Indian girl I met at the Job centre seminar a couple of weeks back. Took her to a couple of bars and the conversation was good. In the second bar I managed to get closer to her and initiate some hand holding and she was at ease with this. After a while I spotted an opportunity to go in for the kiss, admittedly after thinking about it a bit too much, and she turned her head saying 'it's too soon'. Fair enough. I feel I should have tried to kiss her earlier on and given myself more opportunities for it to happen. Next time.

Girl 2: Fri afternoon

Met up with Sophia the teacher. Last time I'd given her a kiss to the lips, but not made out. Today I took her for a tour of old industrial Manchester. We ended up down next to the canal looking at the geese and swans. As the day progressed I went from kissing her on the cheek, to kissing her on the lips to making out with her. We went to a bar, I told her some stories, made out some more, then I walked her back to her halls. She invited me in to the common room where she gave me a half hour live piano session. I could get used to these girls playing me live music... that's 2 weeks in a row.

She has been hard work to get a kiss out of, and as a result it has been a valuable lesson in perseverance.


Girl 3: Sat afternoon

Chez the solicitor. I'd gotten her number back in September. I'd kind of given up, but she'd prompted me to get back in touch with her recently, writing some stuff on my Facebook, so I arranged a D2. Then she flaked on that saying she was ill. I then didn't contact her for a couple of weeks, then arranged again. we went for a pot of tea and the conversation was good. Her body language was pretty closed off, with her arms folded a lot. I went to grab her hand and she was very tense and guarded. The whole thing lasted just over an hour and we left. I went to hug her goodbye and kiss her on the cheek, but she pulled away. I told her i was only kissing her on the cheek... but she said 'no'. Madness. I'm not holding out much hope with her, but will keep her in my phonebook.


In summary

I need to instill the mindset of perseverance more when making attempts to kiss the girl, rather than just going for it once per meet up. It would help if I acted on instinct more and made my first attempts as soon as I felt that urge. I am still hesitating too much and thinking about if I should 'make my move'. I should be taking action, not thinking.

I agree, and stupidly this is only something I am beginning to do as a rule. With Girl 3 I shouldn't have accepted her 'rule' so easily. I obviously didn't want to throw my toys out the pram, more query why she is behaving in such a closed off manner, and then tell her that this is my rule and insisted on the kiss.