Say it to my face keyboard warrior, say it to my face. This isnt even constructive, from the posts I've read half you guys drink when out, and it sounds like there's no technique to your game. Just jumping around like dickhead clowns thinking that your bosses because you can lay chavy girls. The fact that you had to result to insults says it all. You're actually demonstrating low working class unemployed behaviour.

Lol stop getting so butthurt. Of course it isn't constructive, why would it be? You're the one who showed up bragging like being a 35 year old virgin is awesome because you're shit hot at mystery method. A few people pointed out how ridiculous that is, you got defensive and started bragging about shit I'd find cringey to even admit to, and then we mocked you for it. It's not keyboard warrior shit, it's just calling you dumb for being dumb.

The main metric of game is the results you get. I give zero fucks how 'technical' you are if you're getting consistent results and contributing to everyone's fun while doing it. You're someone who's been doing it for years and has never fucked anyone. And anyone decent at this who's not after your money will tell you that reactions aren't attraction and numbers count for precisely fuck all. If you want to stroke your own ego with that fine, but if you try to convince other people of that or advise people to go your route you should expect people to point out how retarded it is.

Ok stein what is constructive? Tbh I've discovered my issues an I'm working on them, its validation I get too much validation when I number close a hottie. And I now know why this is, its because of porn and masterbation, so I'm now completely off it. Cringe to admit? , so if you were put in my situation you would probably end up killing yourself instead of admitting and doing something about it and plowing through and working in your game? Shows how much of a man you really are. It always takes a bigger man to admit at least I dont live in denial, yes I am a virgin and yes I am putting myself out there 2 years isnt that long a time. There's no mask of bravado with me everything I say is 100% real. And thats the only way to move forwards by admitting, and not by cringing to admit. 100% I get numbers from hotties and 100% I m still a virgin. Laugh at me all you want but I thought this was a forum to help each not to feel good about yourself at the expense of others(only a person lacking selfworth would do that)

If you "100%" get numbers from hotties, why aren't you sleeping with them? Would you not like to sleep with hot women? I smell bullshit here. And don't come out with all this crap about being picky - been there, bought the t-shirt. People generally say that when they are protecting themselves, they are scared or just full of shit.

In your situation I'd imagine you have a few internal issues to sort out, lack of self love, esteem & confidence & probably some self loathing. Bottom line if your getting on amazing with all these "hotties" you'd be getting laid.

Anyways, I think we should all stop talking about your problems, this is Twigs thread and its been totally derailed. Rather than arguing with some advice & truthful observations people are making, you should leave this thread and start your own if you wish to discuss your own problems with women.

Erm....huh?

I wasn't saying that it's cringe to admit you're a virgin and that you're working on it. That's fine. But that's not what you've been saying. I was specifically talking about when you were bragging about fingering some chubby girl and appearing on some documentary with Beckster, then challenging everyone to 'take the piss out of you now'. Fingering some chubby girl isn't impressive, it's meh. The fat you gave her a massage is funny though. Appearing on a documentary about PUAs chatting up girls in covent garden is just silly, and shows that you don't have the acuity to realise when you're being treated like a PT Barnum curiosity. But what's really cringe is bragging about either of these things on the internet and expecting people to be impressed by them.

Everyone was a virgin at some point. I was a virgin till I was 22, and I somehow survived to that point without killing myself. I also didn't come on to forums waving my own deluded opinions around about how good my game is, despite having close to zero results.


You can't fuck a number, and getting a girl's number often doesn't mean you will or could get anywhere with her. There are a bunch of reasons a girl will give you her number, most of which are not contingent on her being willing to fuck you. There are a million more reasons a girl might react to you, but ultimately it's the same deal. This is the big fallacy of most PUA methods, they assume an automatic linear progression from getting numbers or make outs to getting laid, and focus so much attention on that shit that they lose sight of what's actually going on. So again, if you aren't getting laid regularly, the results aren't there. Until you can do that, your game and opinions on game are worth very little.

Yeah, this thread is to help BunchofTwigs. If you want help swallow your pride and ask for it, but don't come on here all cocky asking us to be impressed with the nowhere you've gotten so far. We won't buy it.

And yeah, like Broadsword said this is a bit of a derail, but if you're going to try to give out advice on this topic it's worth us pointing out why said advice should be ignored.

Stein whats your method? Lets forget all this pua stuff because I am open minded, what do you advise newbie guys to do? Just mass approach and in the process get a girl, after pissing off loads woman? Mate my text game and day twos are crap thats why I'm not sleeping with them still got work to do and also I mentioned the validation issue which I'm working on.

Hey dude, kudos on turning your life around

You've had some great insight on here so far but I'm interested on what it is you actually want as opposed to what you think you want.

Are you interested in just bursting the bubble and getting it out of the way? Are you looking for a special moment/connection? Do you want a girlfriend or just to become some PU sex machine?

I think you'd get a lot further in a chilled situation and if I were you I'd try a little online dating.
You'll get to know the girl a little
You can explain you're a little inexperienced
Having a little familiarity/intimacy between you both will help calm the nerves

there's some great info on this:
here's an online dating thread
And a questionable site dedicated to losing your V with online dating

Just to tell you my experience - I had a girlfriend at the time and we were both virgins and it wasn't great, sneaking around parents, no experience let to a tense and not wholly enjoyable experience. Don't expect rainbows and unicorns but I hope you enjoy yourself!

Dude you should trust kowalski and Stein. They have a lot of experience and I find their perception/deduction of root problems and best courses of action are usually second to none.

I've just quoted your line from above because I think it demonstrates where the problem lies with PU and your current approach.
There is this terrible idea/theory that girls need to be persuaded to enter into a physical or any other type of activity/relationship with you and that you can do so by using a particular method/set of behaviours

I prefer the idea of being an attractive person which most of the people on this forum do too. Become a better person, not by learning stupid lines, but by developing yourself so that you are an open, confident individual who betters the world around them with their conversation, humour & interests.

There is no short cut to this. No lines. And you have to figure out who that person is to develop.

Pretty tough to sell to guys on the internet which is why people would prefer to fork out money for a couple of quick quips and a blue steel look...

By the same token don't expect it to be absolutely awful just because you generally hear "horror stories" of people losing their V.

My first time was fucking amazing. I got seduced by an older lady when I was 15 & full of ecstasy. Bliss.

I'm not advocating or suggesting you use drugs, but there's no reason why your first time shouldn't be awesome. Especially since you've waited so long.

With the right woman she will cherish being your first & would go out of her way to make it special & memorable for you. Just like in your fantasies & shit.

bunch of twigs - you might find this interesting for perspective and possibly a few thoughts/ideas but you'll need to sift through a variety of responses

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