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Default A realisation arose - 10-04-2013, 09:58 PM

I had 4 job interviews today, each one made me less nervous. Then I realised, a job interview is FAR more nerve wrecking than talking to random girls. So, what's the problem? Why are people more scared of approaching girls than they are of having a formal meeting to which you are dissected to no end and not even able to come back with anything equally as obnoxious (in a certain light) since this person could be your prospective employer..

  • Is it because I perceive the girl to have high value even before I approach?
  • Is it because I'd be Day Gaming by myself?
  • Is it because I make myself feel that I have low value?
  • Is it because I don't know what to say?

Man there are fuck loads of reasons that I've made up to make myself believe that not approaching a set of girls is the right thing to do.

But today for my interviews I decided to dig up some background information on the companies (as normal), write it all down and then take the notepad with me with 2-3 pre-thought out questions to ask.
Now, these people I had never met before, I had to be looking good, knowledgeable, ready to be tested on the spot; basically act natural and off the whim.

Every interview there was 2 people present; 1 male and 1 female. In 2 of the interviews the female present was fucking hot.
Now, I was by myself and these people had higher value in the setting than me so that initially makes you feel like a person with lower value and they are testing you to fuck, throwing questions, both easy and hard at you all the time.
I never once used any of my pre-thought questions, never once looked at my notepad full of information. Instead I acted purely off the whim.

So, I asked myself this. If I went through the interviews and came out fine the other end then why can't I do that with girls?

On any given day I go out by myself and see a hot girl with her mates it makes me think she is the one with the high social value, which if you think about it for too long you will start producing negative thoughts until finally you don't know what to say and let the opportunity slip past.

With that situation, what was so different between that and the interviews?
Answer: Nothing at all ... apart from the possible job opportunity at the end.

So, if I came out fine from the interviews then there is no reason to believe that I won't come out fine after talking to a girl or group of girls.

This is a realisation I had. I believe I should adopt the mindset, I think it could be a good foundation to progress.

Thoughts and opinions would be helpful..
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Default 11-04-2013, 02:33 PM

Through the mindset that worked its way into my head from the interviews yesterday I finally made an approach on a group of girls (3).
It was an in-direct approach and honestly I was nervous but I just kept telling myself "if I was fine in the interview then I'll be fine approaching girls".
I just asked them where the music shop is in town. They told me of several and gave me directions. Then I asked them about their music tastes and what they think a 16 year old girl (my sister) would like.
It went well, my goal was to just talk with them and hold the conversation so I did that pritty well.

I learned that through the interviews I was better natural and off the whim so I also applied that to approaching girls.

1 thing I found hard was escalating through the in-direct approach. I didn't know what kind of path to take it on.
I guess that's a major bonus of the driect approach.
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Default 11-04-2013, 10:39 PM

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Good for you Mr Stinson.

Everything you've written makes sense. Buy yourself a beer from me.


Peace,

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I was pritty struck back by how similar an interview is to approaching women and also how well I do off the whim. I think it's only a foundation mindset, other things need to be build on-top of it but I feel that should be done through trial and error, experience if you will.

I'll buy myself a beer when I've approached 5 people tomorrow. Then that truly is a beer well earned.

Cheers man
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Default 11-04-2013, 11:21 PM

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I think it's only a foundation mindset, other things need to be build on-top of it but I feel that should be done through trial and error, experience if you will.
You have a good long term attitude. Fuck the quick fix when you can improve yourself for real.


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Default 11-04-2013, 11:55 PM

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You have a good long term attitude. Fuck the quick fix when you can improve yourself for real.
My intent when getting into this wasn't solely on getting women. Instead, it was about fine-tuning my life, my mindsets, my social awareness, my fears; overcoming them all and just having fun.
I have a habit of trying to push the boundaries, looking for long term strategies/goals instead of the weak, short term fixes.

My friends are already starting to note a difference to me and I've hardly scratched the surface of what I want to achieve.
1 major thing I've noticed is that my voice was not loud and I spoke fast, I was constantly having to said things multiple times for people to understand.
Now, after listening to how loud RSD instructors are during the audio's I've got etc.. I'm talking slowly, with more pauses and also a lot louder which just by itself, makes me feel more in control.

There's still a very long road ahead but I would never leave something half finished.


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Default 12-04-2013, 09:44 AM

Barney, this is a healthy-mindset you have, you will do well. Unfortunately a lot of people are seduced by the 'quick-fixes' many PU companies who wish to sell there services promote. The truth is, there are no quick-fixes. Many people also come here with gaping wounds and hope that PU will be the 'band-aid' to heal those wounds....it won't.

I feel you understand this. Good man.


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Default 12-04-2013, 11:11 PM

Went out today again; aim was to talk to 5 people, hold the conversation well and then eject.

In the morning I went out to town and saw lots of hot approachable women, blondes, brunettes, tall girls, short girls ... yet I didn't approach.
I felt like I completely let myself down, I was really fucking pissed off with myself. I had a little stupid 'in-head' conversation with myself. "why didn't I just approach? There's no harm in it so just talk, fucking TALK... pussy" I was really fucking pissed off with myself for not at least attempting it!!

Then I realised that (personally) I'd been approaching it from the wrong angle. I'd set myself a goal to go out and talk to people but nothing specific whereas if I just went out with the intent of showing my personality, not actually focused purely on approaching (i.e. louder voice, fun etc..) then this would:
a) attract attention to ME
b) make me feel more confident to start a conversation

So I went out shopping in Asda tonight. I set myself no goals, apart from to just have a laugh and show my personality.
So I'm walking round and I see what looks like an Asda team motivational speech that then somehow turned into all the 20 Asda staff fast paced walking down the aisle, making a very tight right turn and up the other aisle like it was some sort of Asda Mario Cart race with the winner seeming to scream "I won!!!" whilst holding an Cadbury's Creme Egg; which could only be considered as arse licking the team manager.
Another shopper (male) was near me so I said to him:
"Looks like we're in the middle of a no rules high tempo Asda Mario Cart final lap. You'll never see this many staff accumulate together again.. shit if only David Attenborough was here".
To that I got a long laugh and a reply, then I cut the conversation for a reason that I honestly don't know. He then told his partner about it and she laughed and and looked my way. All fun and projects my personality whilst completely off the whim.

This helped me to realise that this is the part I must go down to improve.

However, I didn't make what I consider another approach. Fine I talked to 2-3 girls but only for a minute and it was just about showing them the best biscuits to buy or the best sweets or whatever.

So I have another add-on to my mindset which is to go out with the intent of having fun and projecting your own personality. Goals, if any, should be vague and not really number specific as it creates negativity for me personally at this stage of my improvement.


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Default Completely baffled by this... - 13-04-2013, 09:11 PM

So I'm walking into a shoe shop and 3 girls (2 blondes 1 brunette) who were the shop attendants, were literally staring at me. 1 with their mouth wide open which kinda put me off talking to them.
But the brunette came over as usual shop attendants do and and asked the most asked question in human existence "is there anything I can help you with?".
So, just normally, politely I ask her for the shoe size I want and she goes off somewhere and returns a minute later with the gym/running trainers I asked for.

She then say's something about the gym, maybe like "are these for you workout's" or something like that. I can't remember..
I just said "yeah they're for the gym but won't be going for a few days till I get rid of this cold".
She then says "omg I've got the startings of a cold too, we can be cold buddies. gimmi your phone number". So I did.

Wtf happened!? I was sat for 50 minutes on the bus home pondering over the whole situation.
I came to the conclusion that it was like she was trying to rationalise giving me her number by creating a commonality that was hardly part of my personality or character but nevertheless something we could both relate to.
She was nice aswell, I'd probably say a 7 (as I don't want to over-rate). It all seemed a bit needy to me, but also kinda flattering.

Has anyone else had a similar experience like this where no gaming had been done at all?


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Default 14-04-2013, 12:11 AM

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Sounds like she fancied you. Why is there bafflement? Do you look like a sock puppet?


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Haha the sock puppet was a nice touch.

The bafflement was because recently I've been working on approaching just people in general, with a frame to then approach more and more women. I didn't expect a woman to approach me asking for my number when I've been trying to approach them, kinda like role reversal.

Also, in Blueprint Decoded Tyler says that a woman will look at a guy she likes and if there's a commonality, even just 1% of a commonality she'll focus in on it and almost attach herself to it like a leach.
Honestly, I wasn't convinced about that when I heard it but now I:
a) know what he meant
b) realise actually how powerful just a small commonality can be to a girl

I still think the term 'commonalities' in general is just a lame excuse for a guy to think the woman could be attracted to them.

Also realised upon reflection that I did absolutely nothing apart from been myself, letting my personality come out. Which is building on my mindset that I'm putting into place.
Which is good really because this means my mindset/s are sinking in which on a whole, would help me to be more natural and relaxed.

Although I must step away from judging things for how they look i.e. that situation in the shoe shop... I told myself they didn't like me which is why I was put off approaching and I suppose I acted with a shield, even when approached by the brunette.


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Default 14-04-2013, 07:32 PM

I agree 100% that I was overthinking this, no denying it.
I tend to over analyze stuff, so I need to work on not so much becoming attached, but more on just 'letting it play out' and not focus on the analysing of interaction/s. I need to make talking to people and getting peoples numbers and making friends completely natural and basic instinct, 2nd nature.

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I wasn't trying to attach myself to any commonality however weak. It is just the standard structure of how you ask to be closer to a person or spend more time with them. You don't say:
"What do you do?"
"I go to the gym and I'm poorly sick."
"I do neither of those things. Give me your number for literally no reason."
Definitely want to try this at some point!


Haha brushing up on your Spanish there kowalski
Si, comprendo.
Cuanto tiempo ha usted estado aprendiendo Espanol?


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