this response will be in the stlye of Phil/ as he may be too busy to reply

" YOU SHOULD OF JUST KISSED HER, TOLD HER YOUR GOING TO FUCK HER

THEN FUCK HER

END OF "

I am also satisfied by the above response.

Or she could of thought you come across rapey

personally.. I think she might of found it a little scary but over all exciting as I doubt many if any guys have done that before when she has give the guys obstacles

Aye, it was all good really. She would have enjoyed it and I did up to a point (obviously I wanted more!). If she changes her mind then she can get in touch. I've thrown it out there.


Last night I text this girl and the usual flirtatious banter continued between us. I am forgiven for not taking action it seems. The next time I see her I intend to get her round mine.

Nova im curious to know how much you have progressed since the beginning of this little venture. Furthermore, id like to see how much further you would progress watching others, sometimes watching people makes u see stupid stuff u do from outside.

u should definitely organise a few meets to watch other guys.

I've had dozens of missed opportunities throughout my lifetime. There were easily over 20 maybe even 30 guaranteed lays that i either failed to spot, failed to take action, didn't see the signals until later in hindsight, was too fucked up on drugs to realise it was on a plate for me, or any one of a ton of other reasons.

The number of girls i've fucked would be at least a third higher if i hadn't missed out through my own stupidity. Some of the girls i went on to fuck eventually at some stage, but most of them, & the possibilities of sex with them, vanished.

Compare your missed opportunity of at least a kiss to my two dozen thrown away lays, better?

Since starting this... it now seems opportunities are arising more readily as a result of my daytime socialising. However I think I have missed the follow up part of things, and assumed this would just flow. Something I am now starting to share on here is my experiences with the girls after getting their numbers. Hopefully I can now get more of a handle on this part of my life as a result.


I'm afraid my missed opportunity the other evening harks back to the dark days way before I met my last girlfriend, when I passed countless missed opportunities. It is a rather painful reminder of the consequences of not taking right action.

The wedding gift & the wedding.

I went to select a wedding gift on Fri evening in Debenhams. There was a pretty cute Chinese girl in there, we're kind of walking around near each other and I decide to tell her her hair's cool. She enjoys this and we have a cool chat. This girl is from Manchester, but studying in Oxford. We chat about that and she shows me some videos on her phone of some pretty cool street performers. I then tell her if I go to Oxford I'll let her know, so we exchange numbers.

The next day is the wedding. It's absolute carnage. I was boozing from 11am til midnight. At the dinner table there was a nice English girl. There is some flirtatious banter between us across the table, and some suggestive eye contact. Later on we're chatting again and she wants my number. I would have tried to move things forward with her but a) my ex-girlfriend was also at the wedding, and b) what looked like her boyfriend was there. I'll give her a shout this week, as she claimed she had nobody to go out with drinking. I can oblige I'm sure.

Follow up game/date update: Back to mine

I managed to get the Chinese girl who I didn't kiss at the club on Halloween to come out with me. I picked her up from town and we got the tram back to my neck of the woods. We went to a bar had a chat I'm telling her how sexy she looked, she likes this, then she's quizzing me about past girlfriends and I then ask her about her boyfriend and she goes quiet. I then change the subject.

We left and went to some charity shops, then onto another bar. We sat on a sofa and she seemed very into me touching her hands and snuggled up against my arm which was around her. All seemed to be warming up very nicely. We then grab a takeaway and head back to my bedroom.

We eat and chat about politics and other random shit. The eye contact is heavy and prolonged and I need little invitation to swoop in for the kiss. But... she isn't having it. She says she "can't". I am fairly cool about it, but then decide to challenge her about it all, in particular the text messages. She acted all surprised. I guess she isn't going to admit to flirting with me, but she had been. She then claims that she isn't into being 'sexy' and I had her wrong. Yet, she lapped it up several times when I mentioned it.

She still hasn't used the boyfriend as a reason not to kiss me, so I ask about him. She starts moaning about him saying she hates him now and he's her first love but she thinks he isn't into her any more. Oh dear.

Obviously I should never have expected much from this one, but bloody hell she's been the most flirtatious and suggestive out the lot. Either she saw something in me, or she just loved the attention. I suppose it's best to assume the later or else I'll get strung along further.


Follow up game/date update: First date with FB girl

I managed to get a Chinese girl's Facebook after a one minute interaction a couple of weeks ago. Since then we chatted on FB and it went well. I got her number, and then the other night I suggested that I take her out. Today we did just that. I had been pushing the frame that I think she's sexy through my texts and she liked this. We met up, went to a bar, and I pushed this sexual desire frame more dropping stuff into the conversation about how hot she looked and how she had amazing legs, etc.

This was well received and we went onto another bar. The converstion was good, as was the eye contact. Any kino I initiated was light and remained so as she wasn't overly receptive at times. Thus, I decided against making any bold moves as this one would probably have freaked out if I'd tried anything more.

Anyway, we both had fun, and I will continue to push the idea that I want to fuck her and see how it goes. This is another slow burner... unfortunately.

Good stuff man. Just a thought - I would make sure that you don't only compliment them on their looks (e.g. saying they look sexy etc.) Make sure you compliment them on their personality as well (but only if you mean it), if you're not doing it already that is.

What might be happening is that you're coming across a bit like a super-slick player (the question about your previous gf's?). Just a thought. But it doesn't sound like you're doing too much wrong, just the external factors which you have no control over messing up your chances.

This is something I thought about too after seeing her. I did compliment her on a few things related to her personality, and that was one of the ways in which I wooed her to come out, i.e. her warm character. In me experimenting with these direct sexually orientated thoughts there is perhaps a danger I make them feel like a piece of meat. I need to strike a balance with it all.


I believe so. The opportunities are developing more readily now, and this in turn is giving me a perspective on how I should behave when back at my house, or when I try to kiss the girl. As frustrating as some of these situations have been, they have all taught me something new.

Since this date this girl has been messaging me a lot more than before. I have maintained my flirtatious sexual frame and she seems to like this. She messages me asking me what I'm up to, told me that another guy tried to get her number in the supermarket, and several times now has asked me if I have met other girls (in a positive way). She seems to be wanting to help me out in finding a girl.