Touchy topic, but I'm glad someone brought it up. I actually had this discussion with my old housemate who was half black pua and he actually totally agreed that women are more responsive to him just because of it. Concluded it's positive social conditioning with media and black music like rnb and hip hop having a very alpha image.

'Asian Guys - Sorry but its a fact loads of white girls will not go near Asian guys' - i kind of agree here, but go to south east asia and the guys that get most laid with hot swedish and other european women are the beach hut workers and weed dealers in tourist areas. But then again when travelling abroad, people's social conditioning and sense of reality tends to get distorted.

In Thailand the majority of actors on tv and commercials are half european, it's just what is considered attractive over there.

Put it this way, imagine Al Pacino in the body of a disfigured old midget. End of the day he's still Al Pacino. Do you seriously think he wouldnt be the coolest mofo and get loads of women? He's not that good looking now, I bet he gets and has gotten a lot of attraction.

What's that got to do with anything? Al Pacino is famous. Fame is a unique type of DHV on that allows you to DHV to people you've not even met in person.

How much 'game' would Al Pacino need to get laid at all ever, IF he was just a humble carpet fitter from Dagenham?

Race is one of the factors that effects/influences perceptions of social value. And it cuts both ways. This isn't a limiting belief....it's is as Refl3x says...a limiting fact. (accept it's not nessarily always 'limiting' imo- since it can cuts both ways - and might get you 'in' as often as it might get put you 'out'- depending on the girl in question).

It's no more a limiting factor than height, weight, age or anything else. I would go as far to say that social class is a bigger factor than race.

Here's some more interesting things I've noticed from among my circle of friends...

White guy mates with 'some' game tend to want to seek out and date/bed increasingly more exotic variety of women. They seem to reach a point where they get bored of white middle class averagly attractive birds and decide to branch out and 'test' their ever improving game on girls increasingly outside their own racial/cultural bracket.

The asian (indian) bloke I know with the most game, (and I mean a fuck ton of the stuff), doesn't go anywhere near asian/indian girls. I don't know why. Also my black mate that's handsome, loaded and stacked doesn't date black girls.

Also another mate of mine who is half white/european half singaporian and pretty good looking (in a girlie/anime sort of way), was a bit of an aquired taste out on the pull in the uk and certainly no cad...but in Japan he literally models for a bunch of different cloting companies and is considered by Japanese birds to be be sooo ridiculously good looking that they literally throw themselves at him- and he pulls stunners with zero effort on his part. Whatever he's got goes down well in that part of the world.

p.s Yes I've checked and thank fuck he's alright despite the shit going on there at the mo.

............

I too am glad someone did a thread on this, and I'm even gladder that we've been able to have a civil discussion on this for 2 pages without anyone posting anything offensive or getting offended. Before the thread turns to shit I'll put in my two cents.

Personally I think race, like any kind of looks, only matters initially in the approach. I don't agree with the cliche that first impressions last, on the contrary I think people get over first impressions very quickly. Someone of a race thats viewed unfavourably by the target might have a harder time, or even a much harder time, approaching the girl. But if he approaches indirectly and she likes his personality I don't think it'll matter after then. Women are generally a lot less about the visual.

Interesting that two people brought up indian guys and that white girls wont go out with them. I think this is down to culture more than attraction. I think girls assume someone of indian/pakistani descent will treat women like shit and either expect her to convert religions or have an arranged marriage lined up. One of my colleagues is of Indian descent but interestingly he is a catholic and even has a portuguese name, he got so sick of people assuming he was muslim that he now wears a cross pendant to show people (girls in particular) that he is not culturally different.

Thanks so much for bringing this topic up and for having a civil discussion about it.

I would like to know more about girls who do not date Indian/Asians.

(I am one myself and have NEVER had sex with an Indian or black woman, but that is my personal preference.)

Can someone please fill me in on this, so there are girls out there who would just not sleep with an asian/indian? What are their reasons?

If this is the case then how can one spot these girls so that I do waste any time on them.

I must also admit that I also have difficulty with English women. I live in London and the majority of my successes have been with foreign girls. I do nto know what I am doing wrong but I jus tfind that english girls are just so much hard work and have a real up their own backsides, atttitude about them.

I am not say that I have never had an english girl, I have but they are relativly few in comparison with my foreigh successes.

I have reasonable skill level in game but not great. I would say that on a scale of 1-10 I am about 3.5-6.5. Sometimes I know exactly what I am doing but at other times I just bomb out, but that is another story.

Al Pacino would still be th fucking man if he were an asian carpet fitter from dagenham, thats the whole f-ing point. Its about who he is and how he behaves that makes him a strong leading male.

....................