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Default Luth's Night game Journal - 24-12-2013, 09:41 AM

Ey guys whats up.

A little background info for those of you who don't know me- I was born and raised in the NL (I'm British tho), started doing solo night game when I was 17 in dutch clubs, met up with some PUAs by total luck. They massively improved my day game, these guys didn't chode around, constant approaching. One of my friends approached a chick in a mcdonalds and was banging her in a public toilet within 15 minutes.

Anyway, I started getting success, dates, and finally lays. But my game revolved around day game scenarios, and the few times I went out at night I didn't even get makeouts.

That all changed when I moved to Manchester, went to a rave on MD and went crazy. I made out with some HB8 and it all went from there, I finally understood the vibe necessary to succeed at night game. Given my situation I wasn't able to go out and do much night game at all though, although recently that has changed.

I started going out with Shah, Goodrebel and some others recently and the success has been phenomenal compared to previous experiences. No lays yet from night game but I think I'm getting pretty close.

So that's the background, first FR coming up in a moment.

- Luth x
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Default 24-12-2013, 10:03 AM

Ait so what happened yesterday night was I travelled down to where some family are staying for xmas, watford. Since I hadn't been out for over a week (was in the middle of nowhere) was itching to hit the clubs and was pleasantly surprised by the nightlife in watford. Only thing was, I forgot my ID and all I had was my bank card. I have a bit of a baby face and the only club that let me in was a shitty little club with about 3 people dancing at the time I got in.

I approached a couple of people outside the club, turned out that most of them were promoting the club but it definitely pumped my state.

Soon as I hit the club, I got myself a drink (tap water) crashed a picture with an older woman and started dancing with this 3 set, 2 older women and a guy, just getting my state up a little. I was having fun, taking pics n shit, they were too, but I saw a better set.

There was a group of mostly Indian people with 2 Hb8s and some Hb5/6s. The 8s were hugging one of the uglier girls as she had to leave, so I took the opportunity and asked for my hug. Instant kino, started dancing with them, high-fiving the guys in the group, then everyone was taking pictures of everyone. There weren't many others dancing and we were probably having most fun out of all the people in the club. This Indian guy kept on holding my hand and we kind of made a circle where we were holding hands with the girls as well, but I was getting a little creeped out by this dudes persistence.

I managed to isolate one of the 8s and we danced to a couple of songs, I kept the eye contact going, smiling just having lots of fun, and we were both loving it. We got into a little "you and me" bubble where we were just locked for a while. Eventually one of her friends pulled her away so I made a quick takeaway, went to grab another water and head to the toilet quickly. When I came back, one of the guys beckoned me back into the group and we all started dancing again. This dude kept on asking for my number as the group had to go so I gave it to him, and used that to make a smooth transition into getting the 8s number. I went outside with them to say goodbye and made out with the girl.

And then the CRAZIEST thing happened. Ten mins later, I'm getting another water and I get a tap on the shoulder. It's the 8 from before. She says her friends want to talk to me, so I go outside and the guy basically explained to me that he wasn't gay (I'd asked the 8 whether he was) and said I should go home with the girl tonight. She was totally down for it. I couldn't believe it. It seemed WAY too easy.

I took her back into the club but she said that the guy was going back part of the way with her and might be weird about things on the way back. So we agreed to meet tomorrow (today). We'll see how things turn out. Perhaps I'm being naive about the whole situation but I'm 99% sure that I could have f-closed that night, was just a little worried about that dude, who turned out to be her boss.

Not much happened from then on, I was a little thrown off by the whole previous situation and maybe a little in my head. I tried pretty hard to get out of my head for the next couple of hours but I wasn't really offering value like I was at the beginning of the night.

So I left the club around 1.30ish and headed home. All in all, a decent night out, just need to find a way of keeping my state high throughout the night. I'll let you guys know about the 8, gonna call her in an hour or something. Looking forward to going out again with Serendipity on boxing day!

- Luth x
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Default 24-12-2013, 10:43 AM

Hey lad, that was a nice little fr, I was pretty certain he was gay till the end. I'm around that area over the hols, mind if I tag along?


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Hey lad, that was a nice little fr, I was pretty certain he was gay till the end. I'm around that area over the hols, mind if I tag along?
Yeah, but at least he helped me game the girl. Yeah sure man, I'll PM you.
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Default 25-12-2013, 11:29 AM

Hey guys, firstly merry christmas, and may you all pull more women than you can handle in the new year!

Quick FR about last night (christmas eve)- wasn't really expecting to go out, until all my family went to bed around 11 oclock so I thought screw it, go for the reference even tho I was tired as shit from the night before.

Started off going to a club called cameo, 5 pounds to get in but it was a bit of a joke, there was hardly anyone there to my surprise. I tried gaming a couple of girls but wasn't really in state. Ended up going to Oceana (another 10 pounds) which was a sick club, biggest one I've ever been in besides the warehouse I raved in once. Much bigger than Mcr clubs. Anyway, I was having a ton of fun with some dudes in the middle of the massive dance floor, we were going crazy, drawing other people in, high fives, etc.

At one point a girl threw her arms around me and asked me to kiss her. Only problem was, she was about a 3/4. Chubby, short, and my ego really got in the way there so i didn't. Then I got this horrid stomach ache which pretty much killed my state.

So lesson learnt- it's all about state. I need to practice drawing state from within, being happy in any environment and pulling others into that fun state too. Once I get the "nimbus" that's when all my success happens.

Anyway, gotta go help with the food, hope you guys have a great one and I'll be back with another report on the 27th after boxing day!

- Luth x
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Default 25-12-2013, 12:00 PM

Merry Christmas.

I've heard Oceana is good, probably best in Watford. There's an R&B floor. Mixed reviews about Cameo (was told it's favourite among the teens). There's also a club called reflex which has an 80's theme and I've been told it's a great laugh.

Hope you have a better night tomorrow dude. I would have liked to come along but something came up. I also seem to have some throat bug at the moment which I'm hoping to get over for the weekend.


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Default 25-12-2013, 01:03 PM

I know what you're saying about state btw. I really struggled last night to get out of my head and get in state. I've just remembered two events that demonstrated this pretty well.

One was where a girl was squeezing past me at the bar and I tapped her on the shoulder. She didn't turn around, so I tried again a bit harder...no reaction at all. Felt state going down.

Second one was a girl squeezing past facing me this time so had eye contact. I said merry Christmas and shook her hand. She gave me a hug and kissed me on the cheek. (she was a blonde bombshell). Felt my state go right up. Then I was up and running until I got a blow out. State down again (that was a front approach of two girls). I can see relying on the reaction to get the state up has it's pitfalls. I'm sure this has been what's been partly causing my run of shitty nights recently.

Like you say you want more to be able to generate it from within or from the environment rather than reactions that you have no control over. I've not worked out how to do that yet.


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Default 25-12-2013, 05:27 PM

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Like you say you want more to be able to generate it from within or from the environment rather than reactions that you have no control over. I've not worked out how to do that yet.
Just from within man, not from the environment so much. Sure, it's a luxury if you do, but you should be able to generate it all from within, that's the ideal anyway. Tyler talks alot about this in the blueprint decoded. If you can do this, a woman can feel that you're a source of "grounding energy"- if you show that you can have fun and positive regardless of the environment, that creates huge attraction. It shows her that you're a man.

But this skill, drawing state from within, self-amusement, non-resistance, whatever, is a skill like anything else and needs to be practiced ALL THE TIME. I only realised this recently. It is a skill to be able to enjoy yourself regardless of the environment, what you're doing, or who you're with, and an even greater skill to pull others into that mindframe.
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Default 25-12-2013, 11:41 PM

I think it is something that can be developed with practice. But at the same time it's sometimes easy to overthink things.

You see a girl you want to meet so you chat to her to see if there's any mutual attraction (which happens very quickly if it's there). Just the act of doing that probably sets you apart from a lot of guys. It shows a degree of courage and self-confidence.

From then it's more about not killing the attraction by doing the wrong things and progressing the interaction. Being 'in state' I see as being that your game is raised so that the interaction flows and progresses naturally without any structure, pre-planning or thoughts being involved.

You're right in that the man is the generator and the woman reacts to it. But there's a feedback loop going on. If you get a signal of attraction it puts you in state and you lead her into her higher state from there. But if you go up to her with, as Tyler puts it "the cup half full, please miss may I have some of your positive energy?" then that is probably not going to trigger any attraction in the first place.

It's a fine line. You have to bring something to the table to kick the thing off. I find this really interesting, it's one of life's enigmas.


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Default 26-12-2013, 12:32 PM

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If you get a signal of attraction it puts you in state and you lead her into her higher state from there. But if you go up to her with, as Tyler puts it "the cup half full, please miss may I have some of your positive energy?" then that is probably not going to trigger any attraction in the first place.
Agreed with everything, however your state shouldn't depend on IOIs. Tyler says that some of the best naturals can't even see IOI's or, more importantly, IOD's. They just assume attraction from the start. That way their state isn't affected by the woman. They're just doing their thing. Call it what you may, blindspots, delusional confidence, if you keep at it the idea is that she will get drawn into your dominant reality.

He also says that at some point women may completely withdraw all IOI's and act indifferent to you as a kind of shit test. If you're dependent on a good reaction, and your state goes down, you retreat into your head and it's game over. But if you're drawing state from within, not letting it be dictated by the environment (which includes her) you won't retreat and hey, you've passed the shit test.

Obviously you still need to calibrate. If you're just pushing and pushing and she's giving you obvious signs that she's not interested (see pepe le pew Pepe Le Pew is Odor-able - YouTube) at some point you need to give up. But that line is a lot further away than most people think it is.

The ideal is that you can still see the IOI's or IOD's and calibrate your game to that, but at the same time you're NOT AT ALL AFFECTED by them because your state is self-generated.

F Scott Fitzgerald said "the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function". So one the one hand you realise and understand the signs, but on the other you don't allow these to affect you. This is tied in with positive re-interpretation/reframing.

Julien says that you need to "lower your standard for IOI's"- IF SHE IS PAYING ATTENTION TO YOU, she's obviously somewhat interested. She could be doing a ton of other things at that point- but she is focused on you. That should be 10/10 already, and anything else is just bonus. (see julien on killer instinct here, think it's near the beginning Be The Ted Bundy Of Pickup: The Killer Instinct That Will Get You Laid 10/10 Times - YouTube).

I experienced this first hand last time I was out with Shah and Goodrebel in Mcr. It was towards the end of the night and there was a cute HB8 sitting by herself. I asked her what she was doing by herself, she ignored me. I didn't let this affect me, I just ploughed on and said "don't you have any friends"? She said she'd lost them and she was having a shit night, I teased her on that and told her she was boring etc. She was giving me very limited responses, closed answers etc, looking away, acting supremely disinterested.

However, I held the positive state, and eventually she started apologising and telling me how she usually wasn't like this etc. We had been talking for about 10 minutes when the club started to close and she said sorry but she needed to go find her friends. I told her okay, I'll help you find them, but one thing first and went for the makeout. At first she tried to turn away but I persisted and she gave in. Afterwards she told me I was a smooth talker, gave me her number and we made out some more before she left to find her friends.

I've had this on other occasions, for instance on a date where I could feel the attraction was really lacking, the conversation was boring, she had her legs turned away from me, etc. But after going for the makeout I could tell she was actually really into me and we ended up having the best sex I have ever had.

So I guess the thing is: Don't let your state be affected by your environment (which includes the girl you're talking to) and don't read too heavily into perceived IOD's. I say if she's been focused on you for a decent amount of time, she's interested. Go for the makeout and just plough, damnit!

I guess I wrote that more for myself than anything, but I hope you found it useful. Going out again tonight so I'd better take my own advice! Will let you guys know how it went.
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