It's useful stuff. I've still got a tendency to bail too soon and rely too much on IoIs. I think these are the areas I should be working to improve on now.

Have a good night tonight!

Thanks man.

I've set myself some goals for tonight. Instead of setting outcome-based goals (which promote outcome dependence) I've set performance-based goals. Again, this is more for me than for you guys, however you can all rip on me if I don't do them. Team spirit guys.

1. Make AT LEAST 20 approaches
2. Try the claw on 5 girls (shiiiiiiiiiit)
3. Escalate once the kino has started (usually I'll hold their hands and then let go after a while)
4. Stay in the club until it closes

Any advice on these goals is welcome.

- Luth x

You're goal is to get drunk.

I expect you're in the thick of it by now but just show up and do your approaches, stay the distance. See what happens. Analyse it later.

Well guys feel free to rip on me, only did 10 approaches, tried the claw once and made the same mistake with the kino thing- held hands, then let go, did that a couple of times. Really need to work on my escalation and moving forward faster.

There was one HB7 that I talked to for about an hour or more. Things seemed to be going well, we were isolated in quite a peaceful place compared to most of the club (I took her there after dancing with her), and I gave her the girlfriend test which involved biting her neck/earlobe which she seemed to enjoy. But I guess I didn't move fast enough, to be honest I would probably have been better off going for the makeout whilst dancing. Instead I left it far too long and she decided she had to go back to her friends. I went for it, she didn't turn her cheek but she didn't really reciprocate. I have her number and she has been responding to texts but I reckon I killed the attraction by being too pussy to move faster.

With the rest of my approaches, I didn't really plough. So need to work on that.

Goals for tomorrow night:

- Make at least 15 approaches
- Try the claw 3 times
- kino escalate faster (go for makeout earlier)
- Stay till closing time

Slightly more manageable numbers this time. I'll also try going out earlier to warm up more, usually hit the club round midnight, I'll try to be there at 11.

Night game, like anything else, is a skill that has to be practiced repeatedly to become good at, although unlike most other skills (maths, music, etc.) it's mostly based on mindframe and state. There's nothing really complex to be learnt. It's just having the confidence to go up and escalate. But getting the right mindframe is a skill in itself, as is getting in state, both of which are brutally tested in the club environment.

Anyway, it's 4.30, time for getting some sleep. Feedback appreciated guys.

- Luth x

I think doing a 'number of approaches' based goal is a bad idea.

I think having a target for number of approaches is useful for me at the moment because if I've not done many and if I didn't have a target in the forefront of my mind I might get home having done a grand total of zero approaches. It does sound like you're further down the road than that and can focus more on the process.

Maybe the pace of your escalation with that girl was fine for her comfort level at the time. That's what it sounds like but only you can tell what the feeling was.

It was quite a long interaction. Maybe trying to kiss her a bit earlier on and if she head turned or didn't reciprocate, but stayed, you could have built the comfort level a bit more then tried again later. Or even if she left, she might have returned after she'd talked to her friends. You shouldn't assume you killed the attraction.

The few times I've pulled and SNL I didn't kiss the girls in the venue and once I took their hand it was clear we were leaving together. I only let gowhen we were at my house getting our kit off. This was a long time ago though before pickup was invented. Sometimes I wonder if the pickup material can fuck up our natural game.

I'm with Shah, quality approaches over quantity.

Make them meaningful, memorable.

Also with kino it's not where you touch them but how - confidently with sexual charge

Not to pile on the outcome dependence or anything.

Luth's on the right path. Get out there and hammer it. The rest comes later. Make some fucking mistakes, then work out what's what.

You could get through a number of approaches mechanically, but that's really just to re-arrange your neurology to accept doing something that's not natural and gain some reference experience of what it's like.

As the next step, I agree you want to be going for quality not quantity. I've not done many approaches but I've learned a lot from the decent quality ones I've done. They should be memorable for you and the girl.