Good man. When you are doing something for the first time it will not feel natural (physicality), so just keep doing it until it does.

As I said yesterday, I feel that is one of the things you need to work on. Some girls got creeped out? Good, this means that you have pushed out of your comfort zone!

Exactly what smileyK said, I see this as good progress.

Thanks bros, your comments eased my mind today that I had maybe overstepped the mark last night, but as you say it was my major sticking point and I was out to address it. Dale's comments also helped me to realise it. It was just a bit 'uncalibrated' (sorry for that PUA term). But that will come right with time.

I know if I had been really bad, the bouncer would have told me to leave and he didn't. He was on my side. A single bloke surrounded by girls and going for it. He totally understood the situation. Good man.

Next steps:

1- kino, kino and more kino
2- lead and move them around venue
3- Makeout
4- close, pull or get number

Haha, love it

I was thinking start small and build up but if you want to go in heavy and dial back!

I've just found a woman's black eyeliner pencil in the back pocket of the jeans I was wearing last night.

No idea at all how that got there.

A bad habit I'm getting into is loading up on quite a lot of booze before I do the first approach. It then seems inevitable that I'll end up very drunk by the end of the night (if it's a long one) because as I get in state and get buzzing I drink without thinking how much I'm taking in.

If I approach earlier on maybe after one drink, even just a quick 5 second interaction, it would help me to ease into it and I probably wouldn't get so drunk by the end.

I should try this because I'm sure I've missed opportunities near the end of the night just because my awareness was too hazy. That last half hour can be a great time to pull. I'm comfortable enough now with approaching not to be paralysed by AA to the extent I need to be boozed up. Something to work on.

Kino is way over rated in the PUA sphere in my opinion. A lot of guys when starting out interpret Kino wrong. Guys hear that they have to touch women to attract them, and they go in miscalibrated, inexperienced and uncoordinated. This leads to awkward interactions like Serendipity’s.

I think it’s much better to cultivate being completely comfortable with oneself. A lot of guys with low self esteem are just not comfortable with themselves and when this is the case women especially sniff it out like a bloodhound. If you can’t be comfortable with yourself then how do you expect to ever make a woman feel comfortable?

From personal experience I remember when I felt at a place where I was happy with the person I was and felt comfortable with myself I began to notice in my interactions with women that I wouldn’t use Kino at all yet they would openly touch me. It was like the script had been flipped. From then on I realized Kino really doesn’t matter.

‘Nothing is more threatening yet simultaneously attractive to a woman than a man who is aware of his own value.’ – Rollo Tomassi.

That’s the key right there guys. Rather than going around chasing butterfly’s focus on building a garden beautiful enough they come to you.

I agree but it's difficult in a loud club to escalate without using touch.

No it's not.

If I had to quantify how I escalate in loud club, which is where I'm doing it most of the time, it's way subtler than this PUA kino type stuff. A lot of it's eye contact, your proximity to them, where you are in relation to other people, the subtext of what you're saying. Think subtle.

Better yet stop fucking thinking. There's a problem with this kind of thought:

You can't intellectualize pulling into some step by step practical system like that. Too many variables, too much shit you don't know and too much shit you have no control over. You do not always need to 'kino' a girl to get a make out. You don't necessarily have to lead a girl around to pull. You don't even have to make out with a girl first to pull. Each one of those steps can be switched round in the order or taken out completely, as can most others, because every situation is different. Stop trying to put things in a logical sequence. Learn to shut your brain off and it'll help you develop more of an intuitive feel for these things. That's the only real way to get good.