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Phil · 10-10-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by traptinrome

I read all with great interest.

Obviously this is, for the most part a refresher of the fundamental thinking of the community... and also a reminder of some of it's minor differences of opinion therein.

If I may chip in, I think knave and Phil are both right to a certain extent, perhaps when Phil said "just have fun with her" this is one of the absolutely most important things, fundamental in fact.

However, I can also see where Phil is coming from about not bothering to get her to qualify herself to you. I think a lot of rAFCs fuck up whilst on the training wheels because they neg and disqualify the hell out of HB6s and HB7s (who know that there are a good number of HB8s and 9s in the set, or social setting; therefore having rather fragile egos). Furthermore, a 6 or a 7 (perhaps 8s also) are used to having "naturals" inviting them to qualify themselves to them anyway, so it's not something new to them (which is what we want to give her).

That said, I really do believe that getting a 9 or 10 to jump through your loops and qualify herself to you is really powerful, because even naturals/rich guys/brad pitt lookalikes will usually try to qualify themselves to 9s/10s. When you do this to her, it further reinforces the "make yourself a challenge part" and also gives her something she's either never had or very seldom had before.

In my opinion it's a little beauty.

there is this girl im seein, she is... UNREAL! an i mean even now after knowin her for years, and we been fuckin for ages, i still look at her and think

UR SO FUCKIN FIT!

she tried to test me a few months back, get me to do somethin daft! i told her to go fuck herself, coz i wont lower myself for a girls amusement.

she told me lads come letchin over her & the stuff she can get lads to do, like walkin round like a dog & barking.

i think girls are bitches coz they get bored of idiots approaching them, especially on a night out, what i have found is some girls dont like to be approached..

they do however, like to talk to a lad who just happened to end up talkin to them through coincidence i.e. at the bar, or bumping into each other....

the feeling that nobody is in control of the situation, but both are equal

again however this is only right in some situations so its all variable, but bare in mind sometimes bein an uber confident approach monster can also make u a pest who is rudely interrupting her night with the girls. and this is why you getting blown out

where as had you met at the bar... she would think, "oh he was nice & confident in a situation where you would expect him to be" or somethin along them lines

Refl3x · 10-10-2011, 08:24 AM

trying to make a fool of you after she has known you years,
getting lads to do stupid degrading things on a night out --
sounds like she has no respect for you phil, and thinks she is better than everyone.

she needs squashing

Phil · 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Refl3x

trying to make a fool of you after she has known you years,
getting lads to do stupid degrading things on a night out --
sounds like she has no respect for you phil, and thinks she is better than everyone.

she needs squashing

girls do this all the time, u just dont notice it.. this is what happens when guys get comfortable with a girl, lets his guard down as a man, and the woman realises .... ATTRACTION ENDS.

a woman ALWAYS wants a man, if you go gay, she will realise

and her words wer, i can get lads to do anythin i want, u just dont. she was testing for respect.

i like that. and she is actually quite humble in how she looks.... she has 2 sides

......... again gareth, u cant judge this girl based on text, she is a nice girl, she just doesnt suffer fools.

we play women all the time yet slate women who do it back!

would you prefer a girl who just accepts the flirtation of ever man alive, and takes all the shit she gets? and never stands up for herself?

piers147 · 10-10-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by flows101

I find it difficult to comment on threads like these because there's such a fucking paradox like allot of things in pick up.

I’ve only skimmed through this thread and I agree with allot of the points raised but i think people should always remember that "The self is ALWAYS coming through" - TD.

You can do what K said or Phil and it will work if you are doing it form a place of "I AM ENOUGH"

But if you’re like a really needy guy you could do all of these things that these guys have said but the girl will STILL know or should I say feel deep down that you need her validation.

The simple reason for this is because anything that you do from a place of REACTION kills attraction

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But the only way to learn not to do things from a place of reaction is to GO OUT A SHIT LOAD and fuck up again and again and again, it’s fucking ironic lol.

Example of what I mean by the self is always coming through.

Vocal Tonality Breakdown.

T.R Trying for rapport –

“The tone of voice that you use when asking someone polity for something that you really need”

N.R Neutral rapport

“The tone of voice that you use when having a general conversation with a male friend that you feel is on the same level as you”

B.R Braking rapport

“The tone of voice that you use when you see someone doing something there not supposed to be doing and you ask them what they think there doing”

Example

Needy Guy: soooo what do you do for a living (T.R tone of voice)

HB: (This guy is TRYING for rapport with me he really wants me) blah blah blah I’ve got to go to the toilet now.

Cool Guy: so what do you do for a living (B.R tone of voice)

HB: (Wow this guy must be used to speaking to hot girls he’s not even trying for rapport I need to stand out) well I do this, that blah blah blah. HB starts qualifying herself.

GO OUT AND DO BOTH T.R AND B.R MID CONVO WITH A CHICK AND SEE FOR YOURSELF, IT WILL FREAK YOU OUT. LOL

When they ask me what i do for a living i pause look very thoughtful then i reply "I cut lettuce for a living and im hoping praying in six months they are going to promote my arse and i will be in" ( PAUSE to add drama) "The burger section then smile at her.

It will get a big laugh also saying my prime ambition is to start my own buisness repairing disposable lighters!!!.

Refl3x · 10-10-2011, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Phil

and her words wer, i can get lads to do anythin i want, u just dont. she was testing for respect.

Yes it is about respect, BUT if you are the Man throughout the relationship they dont need to test you because they already have respect for you, based on who you are, how you act, the energy you give off.

Kowalski is right though- the ones that do play the games with you are the ones that are fucked up inside and have issues

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......... again gareth, u cant judge this girl based on text, she is a nice girl, she just doesnt suffer fools.

she might be a nice girl - she is just a bit fucked up and should have respect for people

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we play women all the time yet slate women who do it back!

yes we do but we dont make fun of them when they show interest in us or treat them like dirt

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would you prefer a girl who just accepts the flirtation of ever man alive, and takes all the shit she gets? and never stands up for herself?

thats not my point-- standing up for yourself and politely sying you are not interested is one thing--- making fools of guys who are coming up to you because they fancy you is quite cruel and shows a lack of respect for people.
knowone is better than anyone else in this world

Phil · 10-10-2011, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalski

That girl is fucked up, Phil, I reckon.

I was with a girl like that, tried so hard to dominate me for weeks. I wouldn't stand for it and it was obvious that she was all fucked up inside and really just needed to be sure that I was strong enough to look after all her fucked-up-ness before she would let me in.

She was a bad slag, cheating on all comers and fucking guys every night of the week (some nights multiples).

When I eventually broke through that shit, she fell for me hard. Stopped all that shit instantly and stated doing all my cooking and cleaning and generally taking care of me and doting over me.

I think that girls who have realised that most humans with a penis are not men but little girls, they break inside.

Peace,

kowalski

to be fair, girls like that do have issues... but then again, if u knew me... so do i....

i have resided to the fact that girls without issues are not for me...

its not for everyone, i just seem to prefer it.

and with respect, altho id known her for years, this was wen we started sein eachother again after a few years, it was about a month in... and since which nothin like this has happened again, if anythin she opened up alot more to me.

but look... everyone wants somethin different, i like to be challenged by girls now & then.

im strong enuf to know what is what & what i want, the point of my post wasnto pick apart my & this girl, i am happy with what it is.

it was to signify how girls constantly test for masculinity & alphadom even without meaning to.

Phil · 10-10-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Refl3x

Yes it is about respect, BUT if you are the Man throughout the relationship they dont need to test you because they already have respect for you, based on who you are, how you act, the energy you give off.

Kowalski is right though- the ones that do play the games with you are the ones that are fucked up inside and have issues

she might be a nice girl - she is just a bit fucked up and should have respect for people

yes we do but we dont make fun of them when they show interest in us or treat them like dirt

thats not my point-- standing up for yourself and politely sying you are not interested is one thing--- making fools of guys who are coming up to you because they fancy you is quite cruel and shows a lack of respect for people.
knowone is better than anyone else in this world

granted all of this is true, but your missing something important, these guys must be acting a certain way for her to...

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Originally Posted by Refl3x

make fun of them when they show interest in us or treat them like dirt

becuase when i did it it was in a house party where i was part of the group.

and she was nothin but pleasent, and i was fat at the time.

her exact words are,

"Boys are horrible, they just think they can touch you, all i ever get is guys puttin their hand up my skirt like thats the way to get me. if im out with my friends and a guy cums up when he isnt wanted, ill make a fool of him"

dont forget, ive seen how she is when approached tactfully, i think u neglect to realise how much shit these girls have to put up with from idiots, its like sales calls...

how do u react to them when ur eating ur tea?

same scenario! its old, boring & the sales guy could be the nicest on the planet... however

UR SICK OF THE CALLS

Refl3x · 10-10-2011, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Phil

u neglect to realise how much shit these girls have to put up with from

yes i totally agree - if somone is a total douche when they come talking to you, touch you, etc etc they deserve Defcon1

if somone approaches you 'genuinely' (genuinely from the point of view of wanting to talk to you leading to a relationship and sex) then you should be polite

loads of girls (hot ones) are nasty fucks though and just because they class a guy as not being their level of attractivness or above their level-- they automatically act like a cock and be rude or cruel.

when you took me to that gay bar and towards the end of the night i had guys dancing up with me brushing against me i realised how fucking annoying it is for girls getting touched up and annoyed by guys - eye opener

Phil · 10-10-2011, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Refl3x

when you took me to that gay bar and towards the end of the night i had guys dancing up with me brushing against me i realised how fucking annoying it is for girls getting touched up and annoyed by guys - eye opener

mate, i have had to put up with that for years. and it does open ur eyes.

at least u met that one who took u in the bogs, he was quite fit.