How does one draw a line between feeling/being awesome compared to being arrogant?

Who are we to judge just because a guy is:

1) outside the PU circle is a chode?
2) using canned openers are less socially awesome than the naturals?
3) an NLP'er is less successful? (although I think success is all relative)
4) less socially awesome because he is involved in online sarging? Or using dating sites?

Hopefully you get my drift.....! Im not having a dig, I just want to know you guys' opinion....!

Much Success!

Great post Legend, I agree with you. It's not helpful to anyone to have a judgemental view of others and their methods of game (or lack there of), admittedly I have been guilty of this in the past realising that all I was doing was massaging my own ego by denouncing others methods/techniques, which is really quite pathetic.

Your type of game is just a means to an end, whatever those 'ends' may be. Everybody is different and therefore has a preference to different methods of game be it direct, or indirect, routine based etc, etc that work best for them. If people are getting the successes they set out to achieve using whatever methods/techniques they choose then we should all respect that. Of course I have my own preferences which I need not discuss as its not really relevant to this thread, but I agree, who are we to say a particular method overrides another?...its horses for courses, surely?

All the guys i've met through this forum are all cool guys, they all have different ways about going about things and I respect the methods they choose. The variety in the group is a good thing I feel, nights out would be pretty dull if we just became clones of each other.

Many of us have taken this journey to become our 'best selves' and aspire to become that '10'. A man who is a 10 is not someone who has a judgemental view of others or who regards himself better than others in every way, this is arrogance and not widely regarded as an attractive trait by men or women.

Instead of proclaiming certain methods are better or calling other people chodes or chumps (I can't stand those term personally they just sound abit juvenile to me) we should be supportive of each other and help where we can to allow others to attain their goals.

Self improvement is not a competition.

That's enough of my ramblings;

Much Love!

This is a kinda confidence vs arrogance debate really. To me confidence is the accurate realisation that potential negative outcomes of a situation ares compartively unimportant when there are greater potential postive outcomes(allowing more focus and thus increasing the chance of success) whereas arrogance is the belief that you can, and need to, be better than other people by either promoting yourself or defaming others. I guess the line can be thin between the two but confidence doesn't involve putting others down whereas arrogance does(whether verbally or just psychologically).

Now enough of this deep crap, lets party

Although this shouldn't be the case , in the past this has been true . I myself was guilty of this , i judged legend for using online gaming and others as well .
I think alot of people in the community judge because this community is ever changing . There are always new methods and perspectives popping up only to be replaced . This clouds alot of peoples vision on what is 'in' and what isn't .
Over the past couple of months ive been able to have an outsiders perspective on this community as ive been really busy so not had a chance to be out (but i have been keeping up with all your posts)
Although this has sucked because i love this stuff and you guys but it has given me abit of insight .
First off , i apologise to all the guys i've ever talked down to regarding online game , ive come to the conlcusion that we all aim for different things and we will all undoubtedly use different methods , the ones we feel will best achieve our goals . So again i apologise to all the people who do WebPua for being narrow minded . Doesn;t mean i will do it myself but if it gets you what you want then i fully support it .
I suppose that covers canned material as well really as well as NLP , different goals , different ways to achieve them .

When you zoom out and take a look at the bigger picture you quickly realise that although we all use different methods , we are all very similar in terms of what we want and what we like to achieve .

What im saying to you legend is that we can't asses what makes a a person cool or awesome from the techniques / methods or how good they are ... Judge a person for who they are and if they are cool to you , e.g i think marks cool as fuck man but some people dont fully understand him .

That's my views from the outside ...

Persist
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1) outside the PU circle is a chode?

No I think it refers to someone with no game.
I don't mind the phrase because I think of it the way natural Tim does more as a jokey kind of thing that relates to state rather than the person. I can be chode but then snap out of my chodeyness and become woo. Haha that sounds retarded but I used woo yay before I knew about pua Btw I hate the term pick up artist.

2) using canned openers are less socially awesome than the naturals?

While I think it's ok to use canned openers I think it's better to be natural because then you can react to any situation so you are being socially awesome and not using someone else's methods. I think natural is more about mind set than techniques.
If someone wants to use canned openers and they work then respect to them but I always found it a bit weird and so did the girls I tried it on.

3) an NLP'er is less successful? (although I think success is all relative)

That depends on the person, who you are comparing them to and what you judge success to be.
NLP always struck me a creepy and manipulative though, I want a girl to like me not because I've used some words in a specific way.

4) less socially awesome because he is involved in online sarging? Or using dating sites?

Oh no not this again!
I think online is ok but I tried it before I joined here and I find it a really hard way of being successful with women as you can already appear like you are lowering your value by using it.
Also you have to meet the girl anyway so you might as well just go out and find one unless you are after something specific in a girl.
I found it really hard and I still think I would struggle at it so if anyone can get it to work for them then much respect!


Yeh you chodes!


There's also this thread about naturals too

http://www.puaforum.co.uk/pua-genera...ural-game.html

Thanks for the replies chaps....! Generally, I think it comes down to these two important issues. Firstly, employ what works for you, canned openers, RSD naturals, NLP, Online, etc:
As Hustler says:
As Swype says:
As Tom says:
Secondly, dont judge others. Constructive criticisms go a long way but being point blank judgmental is just arrogance.

As Hustler says:
As flake says:
As Swype says:
p.s. I think Mark is a cool muthafucka too...

Not much to add really...the replies speak for itself....thanks again guys!

Much Success...

I agree self improvement is the goal not the means to an end the things you get along the way are products of that success and hustler25 is a rapist

I'd punch Ronaldo in the face but Mourinho's one sexy dude.

So my phone network is (ch)owned by Mark

You said it didn't matter how big it was it was what was inside that counts! It's because I'm not bald or short haired isn't it! I NEVER LOVED YOU ANYWAY!

Of course they are mutually exclusive. For example, I know my best mate is awesome for many different reasons e.g. he is successful and wealthy, he always goes out of his way to help others, giving his time for charity work, etc. BUT he is never arrogant. He doesn’t boast, never looks down on people, he never thinks he is better than others. So agree to disagree.

You contradict yourself here. I quote in your previous post:

Hence, the question in the 1st place. Guess, the above post was just for fun too, in which case we should never take your posts seriously.

Appreciate your definition of the characteristics of what does and what doesn’t class as social awesomeness. I think it is about time it is being defined as this terms has been toyed around in this forum for a while…!

You contradict yourself again. I remember you once you posted this:

Hence the post by Sync to defend his NLP background to which you never response.

Right, so that gives you and whoever follow the terms “socially awesome (whatever that means as no one has come forward with a definition yet)” to judge others who are into canned materials, NLP, online sarging as oppose to your natural methods.

Much Success…

legend not being a twat but if we come up with something you cannot change it the concept hasnt been fully developed but untill them stop trying to say what socially awesome means when it doesnt mean that atall

Good grief gents!!! referenced arguments!!

Hopefully you can keep it non-personal - that is the most socially intelligent thing to do.

Some good answers on here though, interesting to read.

my quick take:

Arrogance - not a charactoristic that I want to develop. Not the person I want to be. Confident - yes. Arrogance in my opinion is low value, and is often men over-compensating (first no confidence, next arrogant, they zig-zag untill they find the right balance).

Internet game - not the best to become socially intelligent, and obviously not going to help calibration etc in field. Not for me now, but I don't want to judge (there could be some girls on there who never go out in-field - this is potentially promising).

I'll use canned openers sometimes. As swype said to me once - use what you want, don't let others push things on you. Given that his game is probably the tightest on here, I'm with him.

This forum has only a limited amount of expertise - I'd bear that in mind.