yeah, castanets and pom poms, years of mocking material is in order

PS

Hey Al_phaD, erm well I didn't have as sure an opinion of all these things until I tried it. At the time I was unhappy being so skinny. I was very aware how it affected my confidence because I am actually a very social, loud person with friends. So I said "ENOUGH!" (lol)
EITHER I accept that I am skinny and become pleased with it. So pleased that I would stand in front of anyone and shout "loook at myyy sexxxy bodddy!"
OR I change, and I change drastically and seriously. No half-baked decisions. This had to be the way, hoping that it would give me the confidence I felt I was lacking. But when I saw those guys in the gym (the ones I described), I realized that years of bodybuilding had not changed their confidence significantly. They flexed and posed in the changing rooms, and made their presence known but though they all checked out the girl at the desk, none of them could flirt with her. That's when I realized that I already had a better self-image than most of these guys (an opinion which was bolstered by the fact that I flirted with the desk-girl quite well and she often checked me out and that muscle mass had nothing to do with it.

Also, I grew up with two sisters, and their attraction to guys has never had any correlation with height/muscles/jawline.

Another thing: my new opinions of self-image and attractiveness explained how you get people who have a weird spiralling nose, a walk like a penguin or weigh like a hippo and yet are loved by everyone. They project such a positive self-image. Everyone else is like "seriously? THAT girl and THAT guy?

Am I making sense? Haha I get a bit carried away!

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ye ur new found confidence is cool an all, but what about the fact women are human, & are attracted to more than just personality.

i dont think ur sisters would feed u the full story...plus most women dont know what they want

explain this with ur theory (which has partial truth)

my mate is now in sick shape... a girl walked up to him within 30 seconds in a bar & said

UR FIT... he replied "i know"

she was attracted to his body THE END.

has anyone thought there is a slight chance that maybe women are just as shallow as men????

and they look at looks first & the person second... coz thats how it is...

I think there is going to be only one way to settle this. We need to get someone in a poor physical state and who is socially inept. Then have them learn some inner game some pick up tactics have them go out until they can handle them self ok in a social setting. Then wed measures his success. Then have him go to the gym work out and sort out his diet until he was in good physical state. Then have him go out and act like he did before game and then measure the results.

Adam care to volunteer?

or, i ask legend if girls ever just cum up to him

Submit and get ripped y'all.

Phil, I think you have misunderstood me a little. I did not say that appearance didn't matter. But I said that the self-confidence someone can gain from a healthier appearance is WAY more important. My sister weren't telling me anything. I have simply observed them with guys on occasion.
Yes men and women are animals and they do take notice of someone who is in good shape. But my argument stated: if you have the looks but not the content (which projects much more about yourself), you fail. If you have the content but not the looks, you win. When I say 'content' I do not mean that you are a good person or a kind one. It means you are unhesitatingly convinced of your own value. That says to me that muscles, clothes, make-up are all aesthetics that are an indicator of how someone sees themselves but they are not the whole truth. And that is all they are worth.
The fact that your friend replied "I know" is my point exactly. If he didn't have the guts to say something like that before, his physique has now given him the confidence/cockiness. I know people who have gained the same confidence/cockiness from having other assets that have built their confidence (acting, dancing, film-directing etc.). That suits them fine and it knocks down ladies like the one who went up to your mate just as easily.
Besides - isn't successful PUAing proof of my point?

Darood - I like the idea of setting up an experiment very much Though the way you have set it out, I'm not sure it would prove/disprove what I said. If you take that guy, put him on a diet and give him muscles - it doesn't take account of his self-image. If he gets ripped, he might improve his self-image. But not necessarily. There are lots of people who do get ripped and don't improve their self-image. So I'm saying you could put that same guy through any number of self-image booster programs: getting ripped, learning acting etc. I'm trying to say that 'self-image' is what is ultimately attractive. Muscles, a tan, high-heels are all things which are important insofar as they may lead to an improvement of that person's self-image. Then again, they might not Erm maybe I haven't really explained it well :s