Originally Posted by Phil

U have clearly wikipediad Nlp and now claim ur a master.

Originally Posted by Knave

I got my figures from the pie chart on page 18 'Introducing NLP' Joseph O'Connor, one of the first books I read on the subject

Originally Posted by BOUNCER161

And let's talk about a huge physical advantage, there are lots of guys in UK gyms that got better bodies than brad pitt, but let's not mention that guy cuz what makes him attractive is his NAME itself, let's just talk about looks.

When a girl sees such a guy what she feels is not attraction, she feels this desparate desire to FUCK him right now and lick his sixpack abs.

Fuck NLP and emotional power lol ...

Originally Posted by fenix_3

There's a million different ways of looking at this. I can think of examples that both support and contradict either point of view.

I watched that Mystery tv show, the dating thing, a while back. I remember he took some students out to a bar. One was overweight and worried about it. Mystery pointed out another guy there, a plump Asian, talking to a couple of pretty girls. He was fairly snazzily dressed, had a cool hat. He looked good - comfortable in his own skin, you might say; quietly confident. People respond to this. His looks didn't matter, but how he acted did.

On the other hand, there was another show on here in the UK a few years back, a one-off I suspect was a pilot for a series that never got made: it featured a couple of fairly laid-back PUA's who took some desperately single guys out and tried to help them get the confidence to talk to girls. Don't even ask me what the show was called, there's no chance I'd remember. In that, it was the men who were generally the most attractive who did best, no doubt. And, now that I come to think of it, it's generally the better-looking guys, it seemed to me, who succeeded on Mystery's show as well. However, this may be more a reflection of their already existing 'inner game'. If a lack of response did nothing but confirm the student's low self-esteem, and if they were particularly disadvantaged (one poor bastard had had polio as a baby and was barely five feet tall), then they were clearly faced with a much more uphill struggle.

An example from my own social circle. A friend of a friend (let's call him FOAF) is a very good looking chap. When they were in their twenties, he and my mate would (I'm informed) go to clubs, and girls would come up and ask if they could sit with them. That's the advantage of looks.

But in every instance I'd met him, FOAF was clearly cripplingly shy. I recall clearly my own experience of going to a bar with him and my mate and watching as FOAF - despite having stated he wanted to meet women - headed straight for a table about as far away from any available or single women as you could possibly get and essentially hiding there the rest of the night. If he was going to meet any girls, it was only because he hoped they might make the first move.

I similarly witnessed FOAF sitting next to a very pretty girl of my acquaintance who was interested in him, but he didn't say a damn thing to her for over an hour. He just sat there looking frozen, until she gave up waiting and went away. His loss.

He had the looks, but he very often didn't get the women unless they approached him first. Why didn't he ever make the move? I was told that during his teens, FOAF looked nerdy and unattractive, so his 'life script', as it were, was set in stone at this time.

It's our jobs, if we can, to break the programming and rewrite that life-script. That's certainly my goal: to edit that script. I have a solid and fulfilling life in many ways, but it lacks the right kind of women. I've never yet quite overcome the terror of approaching women in the street - I've done it, but rarely - but to gain the confidence to do that would, I know, improve my life in other areas as well.

I still hold that a guy who has something interesting to say - and who can 'demonstrate value', as they say - is going to win a good deal more than a guy who's just good looking.

I saw an interesting example of this the other day, in a film called Relentless that's just out. Early on, the protagonist has taken a pill that makes him super-intelligent. He runs into his landlord's Asian wife, who's angry at his non-payment of rent, and he sweet-talks her by telling her how to pass an exam for her legal studies. He talks knowledgeably and with confidence, and before you know it her knickers are off.

Now this is just a fictional scenario, but I find it reflected in real life. I know a guy in his fifties, portly, white-haired, who's permanently surrounded by women in their twenties because he's widely-read, he's led an interesting life, and speaks confidently on all manner of subjects (even ones he doesn't really know anything about). A mate's father is in his mid-sixties, but spends his retirement traveling the world climbing mountains that get other people killed. When he talks about his life, it's full of captivating stories - ie, he demonstrates value. This is almost certainly why despite being a bit of an old duffer, he's had every one of the half dozen barmaids in his local pub.

Recall the point Style himself once made - to demonstrate true value to the opposite sex, you must find that of value within yourself and make as much of yourself in your life as you can. Be, as Bill and Ted might say, excellent: not only to others, but also to yourself. When you're genuinely the most interesting guy in the room, you have higher value than those who are better looking than you. If I have one advantage, it's that I'm proud and confident of what I've achieved in terms of my working life. I'm far from rich, but I'm extremely fulfilled.

There is, after all, a reason why so many college professors get seduced by their female students.

Originally Posted by BOUNCER161

And let's talk about a huge physical advantage, there are lots of guys in UK gyms that got better bodies than brad pitt, but let's not mention that guy cuz what makes him attractive is his NAME itself, let's just talk about looks.

When a girl sees such a guy what she feels is not attraction, she feels this desparate desire to FUCK him right now and lick his sixpack abs.

Fuck NLP and emotional power lol ...

Originally Posted by Knave

You know you’re going to hate me for saying this and by all means shoot the messenger, I’m wearing a vest.

Four nights a week I talk to a lot of girls and a vast majority are turned off by pumped up guys. I’m not saying the skinny guy is king, but somewhere in the middle seems to be where it’s at.

This of course is a huge generalisation excluding many other factors and I’m sure there are lots of girls who love guys who spend all their time in the gym. Just don’t expect to pump up and expect your game to improve because thats not going to happen.

Originally Posted by Breaker

My first thought when I see someone who is over the top ripped is that he is either insecure or trying to compensate for a lack of personality.