Says who? You think no tall girls like Al Pacino or have a 'thing' for short guys? Don't limit your options by assuming things that may well not exist.

The reason I argue this is because I used to know a guy that was really unnatractive (I won't say ugly cos he was my mate) and he just didn't give a fuck. Girls used to look at him and think 'eeuugghhh', I could see it in their faces when he introduced himself to them, but as soon as they could see that he wasn't self conscious about it, it was almost as if it wasn't an issue. He was just good with people, women in particular, it didn't matter what he looked like cos he was such a charismatic, intelligent guy. He ended up going out with by far the fittest girl from my work, and everyone was like "eh?" So Phil you can bang on all you want about how looks are such an important factor for women to feel attraction, but I know this to be complete bollox through actual life experience, rather than asking a few girls that i knock about with at a club what they think about the subject.

Looks help, but we can only change so much about how we look, what we can work on his improving ourselves to become better people, and hence our game.

'Says who?'........I say so. With all due respect Al Pacino is an A list Hollywood celebrity with millions in his bank account. It isn't a particularly valid or useful comparison to make. His short comings (no pun intended) in physical terms are compensated for by his status and wealth.

By no means am I saying if you're ugly, short whatever it's game over for you. It's certainly not, it just means you have to work alittle harder, i.e. on charm and charisma, dealing with the hand god dealt you and not giving a fuck about it. But also just be mindful that there are girls out there who will not (no matter how good your game is) go out with a short guy, ugly guy, guy of a certain race etc because it's just some 'thing' that they have.

You think it's the millions in his bank that attracts the girls? How about his charisma, his larger than life presence, the respect he commands from all who surround him. It is these characteristics that attract the girls, not the money. Peter Andre has millions in the bank, how much respect do you see him getting?

Why should you be mindful of such limiting thoughts though Hustler? How about being mindful that anything is possible instead. I reckon you'd benefit a lot more.

load of shit i have plenty of girl mates and if i ask them which guy they would prefer or which one they would rather sleep with they will give an honest answer. The girls who dont say anything are the shy shit ones in my opinion too scared in case they dont act "lady like"

Looks DO matter it will make it easier to approach you will catch the girls eye but different girls are visually attracted by certain guys, if u dont look her type then u will have to work harder to get her attention and build rapport. Likewise guys who are not conventionally good looking will not be catch their eye as easy and when u approach u have to work harder just means u needa thicker skin.

If a guy is rated 6/10 for looks if he was too get a really nice well styled haircut and great looking clothes and work out so he has a great body he will now be a 8/10 or maybe even 9, so most average guys can still look attractive enough by imrpoving the things they have control over, ofc a naturally good looking guy who will look better but after getting their attention its ur body language and attitude that will really get the most attraction

Girls awesome good looking mean connote confidence because they are good looking, u just have to play the part, if u dont then your looks wont matter. I know from personal experience a girl has looked at me thought i was really good looking but after speaking to her i gave off a weak impression and she was away. If this was the opposite way around most guys would probs stay with the girl because she was hot..

So looks mean u have to work less and are giving an easier way in to talk to girls, but i found just like with women good looking guys such as myself can be very insecure.

What you look like doesn't matter. But how you present yourself does. It is not enough to just be yourself. You must be your best self.

tyler durden had it right when he said non goodlooking guys pull less not because of their apparent lack of looks but because they have more self limiting beleifs than good looking guys.

good looking guys tend to be more confident and have less self limiting beleifs. they are alot more likely to approach (or put themselves in positions where they will get approached) and find sucess. the sucess therefore results largely due to the law of averages and confidence.

essentially, sort ur beliefs out! u r the daddy!

Hmm I think this is probably because they view you as more of a girlfriend than a guy/potential sexual partner. Ok maybe you're right I was talking a bit of shit with this comment but nevertheless if you ask a girl which random guy she would rather fuck,the good looking one or the ugly one, and then base your beliefs on this kind of information, then you are a tinssy bit retarded.

That gets you noticed. Great. What then, wait for the girl to pick you up because she thinks you are a scorcher? F*ck good looks. It gets you nowhere... fast.

Plain and simple.