The reason I argue this is because I used to know a guy that was really unnatractive (I won't say ugly cos he was my mate) and he just didn't give a fuck. Girls used to look at him and think 'eeuugghhh', I could see it in their faces when he introduced himself to them, but as soon as they could see that he wasn't self conscious about it, it was almost as if it wasn't an issue. He was just good with people, women in particular, it didn't matter what he looked like cos he was such a charismatic, intelligent guy. He ended up going out with by far the fittest girl from my work, and everyone was like "eh?" So Phil you can bang on all you want about how looks are such an important factor for women to feel attraction, but I know this to be complete bollox through actual life experience, rather than asking a few girls that i knock about with at a club what they think about the subject.