I'm only cool when I'm sussing someone out, or angry.

otherwise I'm a bit flamboyant like an american.

Most of the bars were fairly quiet so I only started making approaches when we got to one of our regular bars that is a bit more like a small club as it has a dancefloor and stuff.
There were 2 girls by the bar. One of them was a 9. Easily. As hot as hell. My brother said she was like the prettiest girl he'd seen all year, lol.
My bro and the other guy I was with never approach so it was down to me.
I opened her. I can't actually remember what I said. I think I might have just stolen the default opener used by Vadim of honestSignalz where he just describes her, so I might have opened her by just looking at her and saying ''Girl in the yellow dress!!''
She didn't give me an instant rejection which was nice and we started talking a little straight away.
I heard my brothers friend behind me, talking to my brother about me just after I opened her, and he said ''He's good, isn't he!!'' lol. Made me chuckle. I think he meant 'brave' as opposed to 'good' as he's well aware that I NEVER get laid.
We spoke for a bit. Since she was so hot, I thought i'd take some 'game' advice and use some mild negs like how MaxRSD says to assume that they have a crappy job, so I think when she told me to guess what she done for a job, I said ''Waitress??''
She acted offended. I'm not sure whether she was actually offended or she was kind of playing. Turns out she is a lawyer in training and a stripper/dancer!
Once we'd exchanged basic info (age, job etc) and done some light teasing, I couldn't really think of what to say and the interaction kind of fizzled out.

After that, I tried to game her friend. Not as pretty, but good enough. I tried to build a connection in terms of working out what sort of person she was. She told me she'd been travelling and then I said she must be an adventurous person and I tried to guess what she was like when she was younger and what she was like in school and stuff. All things I've read about in pickup books. But after a few minutes her sister turned up (super hot and barely legal) and then she didn't seem to want to talk to me any more.

Next I saw a girl I who I actually briefly mentioned in one of my previous FR's. Someone who rejected me a different time
I spotted her and I could tell that she didn't recognise me (it was some months ago) so I though 'fuck it' and tried again!
I opened her by saying ''You look like you're from (xxx part of town)'' (I remembered from out previous interaction)
She was like ''Yeah!! How'd you know?''. I said ''It's written all over your face. It's a gift I have''
Then we started talking a little bit and I told her I've spoken to her before. She had an equally gorgeous friend with her and I think I tried my luck with her after the other girl kind of stopped talking to me. She wasn't interested either, though.

Then I went into a different part of the bar to get a drink and there 3 chubby girls dancing around, and one of them started grinding on me. I kind of spun her around being playful. Then her friend started grinding on me and she was prettier, although still fat.
We were kind of holding each other and I after a while I though i'd kind of 'test' her reaction/feel her out. Basically something I read recently where you come close to kissing her, under the plausible deniability that you actually just want to talk into her ear. You gage her reaction as you get close. As I got close she looked really freaked out like she was horrified that I might be going in for the kiss, so I bailed soon after. She must not have been into me and was maybe just playing with me.

I probably approached maybe 5 other girls after that on the dance floor, but nothing came of any of them.

Went out both Friday and last night.

FRIDAY
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Worst part of the night was not having the balls too approach two gorgeous young girls who were sat outside in the beer garden fairly early into the night. A blonde and a brunette. Both my type. Young, slim, pretty faces.

i’ve experienced lots of ‘instant rejections’ from hot young girls recently, and I just couldn’t stomach the kick to the ego of having it happen again, especially so early into the night. they were gorgeous, though!
It was also partly a ‘competence’ based fear/approach anxiety.
Like, I looked at them and tried to work out what I was going to say after I opened. Usually people advise some sort of cold read or a comment on something they are wearing or something, but nothing was jumping out and I didn’t just want to do what every other guys does and just be like ”how is your night going?” as people tell me that that is NOT a good thing to say straight after opening. Still not really sure what the best ‘post open conversation starter’ is, really.

Anyway, after that place we went straight to some smallish club with a dancefloor.
I started approaching on the dance floor.

I tried a couple of ‘hand of God’ type moves and trying to make Eye contact and pretend to pull girls towards me with an imaginary rope (has worked before for me) but none of them wanted to play.
Then I tried a few verbal openers Like commenting on a girls dance moves or something. Most kind of ignored me. One of them talked back a little, but I ran out of things to say very quickly.

Then I went and stood near like a pillar close to the dance floor and drank my beer. There was a girl sitting next to me who was OK looking, but nothing special.
I opened her with ”I can tell you’re dying to get out there and dance”. She actually laughed even though it’s hardly a hilarious opener which made me think she might be interested.
We started to talk a little. I ran out of things to say a good few times, but I DIDN’T eject, which is something i’m trying to work on! There were some awkward silences as I was thinking of what to say next, but luckily she filled in the gaps a few times. Turns out she is a GRANDMOTHER at 37 years old! haha. Quite funny that i’m only in this to get hold of young girls, and here I am hitting on a grandma! She was actually OK looking though, and I assumed she was maybe 26 when I approached.

Then her friend turned up and done some mild cock blocking and kind of tested me.
Funny how it’s often actually the friends that try to make me look bad and test me. Happens a fair bit. It’s usually the targets friends who shit test me as opposed to the girl herself.
This friend was giving me shit about being young and not being able to grow a beard! I’m 30 but look about 24 adn that’s usually the age I tell girls I am.
Having no facial hair (genetics) is actually something that I used to hate and even looked into facial hair transplants at one point. However, I made my peace with it some time ago and now I actually kind of like having smooth skin as it make me look younger which is probably for the best since i’m always lying about my age to young girls and they seem to believe me!
I laughed it off and agreed about not being able to grow a beard and even grabbed the friends hand and made her rub it against my soft skin and I told her ”you love it!”. Meanwhile, the girl I approached seemed to be enjoying me teasing her friend and her attraction was growing.
I done some light kino on her.
Soon after she got up and was like ”listen. I really have to go! It was fun meeting you” and she walked off outside. It was close to closing time. I didn’t really care, obviously and just said ”Cool See ya!”

About 5 minutes later I was in the same spot, just talking too a friend and felt a tap on my back. She had come back. She pointed to teh corner of teh bar, as in she wanted me to follow her.
She asked the bargirl for a pen and told me to write my number on a piece of paper. Told me she thought ‘we had a connection and you have good banter” lol. We walked outside to meet her friends, but whilst we were on our own, I went in for the kiss. Just to practice escalation, really. She didn’t pull awy and we made out. Then she left.

SATURDAY
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Interesting night. Both frustrating, but possibly a few positives, too.

I’m out with just 2 friends. Both AFC’s but my attempts at pickup, despite generally failing for the last 9 months seem to have inspired them to try (a little bit!)

They leave to have a cigarette outside. I’m now sitting near two hot ‘2-sets’ in close proximity. I’m desperate to open one of them, but I just don’t have the balls. I think about saying something like ”Hey. My friends just left me to have a smoke. Keep me company for a minute!”. I don’t have the balls, though. Partly because both sets seemed to be so engrosssed in conversation and giving me zero kind of IOS/invitations to approach/eye contact etc.
My friends come back. After a few minutes one of tehe hot ‘2-sets’ get up and leave. I feel the sense of lost opportunity which inspires me to ‘man up’ with the other 2 set.

This 2-set is in fact a 1-set, temporarily, as her friend has gone too the bar. I notice that she is holding and checking 2 phones. Typing away.

I slide over to her and open with ”Hey! Are you texting yourself?” It barely lands and she just tells me she’s trying to find out where a certain bar is. I tell her it’s basically next door. She tells me she lives here, and I tease her for not knowing where the bar is and ask her if she’s been in prison for the last few years or something. She laughs.

At this point, even though i’ve opened her and she laughed, I find myself completely shutting up and it becomes slightly awkward. This actually happens a fair bit. I think, I notice that she is still slightly uncomfortable about talking too a stranger, and my INSTINCTS always seem to be to back away. I can’t seem to help it. It’s like, unless she’s asking me loads of questions straight away, I feel as though it’s a dead-set.

I re-ignite the conversation when her friend comes back. We small talk. She tells me she’s an air flight attendant and is 21. She guess my age to be much younger, and I go with it!
Soon after, she tells me they’re going to that bar. I’d told her that were were going there too, and she said ”Maybe i’ll see you in there”. I said ”Cool. See ya!”#

5 minutes later we leave, queue up at the bar. Suddenly the girls join us in the queue. We talk a little bit. We all enter the club together, and then the girls spot a massive group of HOT girl who they know! I’m talking gorgeous Spanish air hostesses. One STUNNING blonde Russian one. A like 6 others! They tell us to join them and their friends!! ��
We all start dancing. I keep trying to ignite small talk with my one. The 21 year old girl from France (but she has an English accent).

We are all dancing together. The hot blonde Russian girl is basically being raped by random guys. It’s amazing how creepy some of these guys are! I actually almost respect their balls, though! They are just groping her. She pushes them away. They come back 2 seconds later and grope her again.

She kind of has herself to blame, though. She kind of grinds up on random guys and flicks her hair in their face. She actually done it to me. I tried to open her on the dancefloor (I never know what to say in these situations….HELP??) and she blows me off. She’s kind of rude and has an attitude in the way she does it, but she is as hot as fuck.

I chat briefly with the Spanish one, but make a dick out of myself! Basically she tells me she’s Swedish. She’s being sarcastic because she obvsiouly isn’t, but i’m ‘in my head’ so much that I don’t get the joke/her sarcasm, and say some words in Swedish! She asks me what i’m talking about and I call her out for not being Swedish and then she’s like ”Obviously!”. I try to recover, but I feel like a complete moron, lol

I find my girl again and some guy is now creeping over her, but I can see she’s doesn’t like it. I step up to her grab her by the hips and pull her into me.
She asks me to go outside with her and her friend. We banter more.
We go back inside and carry on dancing together. I’ve got my hands on her, and she doesn’t seem to mind at all.

I think this is where I fucked up, because I didn’t go for the makeout at any point whilst we were kind of grinding.

HOWEVER, It was partly on purpose. I read a lot recently about how making out in the club can decrease your chances of getting laid. PLUS, I was having difficult isolating her and didn’t want to try to kiss her in front of her friends since she’s feel like a slut. However, lets not lie. I was also lacking balls! Classic case of not wanting to ruin a set that seems to be going ok
A few minutes after she walks past me and tells me her and her friend are going home ��
Feels bad. She was hot and young. Like a decade younger. And I was basically the only person all night who she SEEMED to somewhat like.

I don’t go for the number, either. Error again on my part.

I spend the rest of the night trying to open girls on the dancefloor, but 100% failure rate.
Lots of girls seem to dance real close and you think they want you to open them, but when you do, they look at you like you’re on fire, lol.

It was a fun night, but teh interesting thing is that if I hadn’t have opened them girls (albeit it was a kind of awkward open) then the night would have been CRAP!
All of the girls in the group were nice to us since we were kind iof WITH the other girls.

AA has been bad recently, but made an attempt to fight it head on and took action last night

I made about 15 approaches, but lots of them were short sets, instant blowouts, non verbal openers etc, so i’ll report on the few that stick out in my head.


Approach 1 – was dancing in a bar and there’s two hotties next to me. I open with a mystery method opinion opener. (recently completed the book off of the back of a recommendation on this site). She starts to talk a little but is being quite laconic. I remember to involve her friend and high five her and introduce myself. The thread ends and she isn’t talking. This is usually where I bail, but I tried my hardest to ‘plough’. I start to make a few assumptions about her and try to tease her. She laughs, but again, she isn’t talking. I ask her what she is up too tonight and ask her how she knows her friend. I” trying my best to ‘plough’ and not let the conversation die, but it’s a bit like talking too a chair at this point. I struggle on, though! At this point they both just turn away from me and walk outside.



Approach 2 – Walk in too a different bar. Spot a hot black girl standing with a friend. I look at her, point at her and say ”I want that one!!!”. Kind of a ‘self amusing opener”. She smiles. I offer my hand out. She takes it and I pull her towards me. I say ”Do you like white boys?!!” She laughs and is like ”I guess”. I say, ”Cool. ‘Cos i’m super white….I can’t dance….I’m good at math.”.. She laughs. I say ”Who are you?!”. We speak a little bit.Do the usual getting to know you stuff. I think I threw in my ‘mystery’ style opinion opener (even though it wasn’t the open, but I think you are allowed to do that in order to help the convo along). I t felt like it was going rather well. Then some guy turned up and she looked at me and said ”I’m with him!”. haha. Big guy, too. I laughed and high fived him. He was actually friendly, and then they both went and sat down


Approach 3 – Spot another girl. I look at her and smile and just say ”hi!…I’m Chris. I’m pisces. I like long walks on the beach”. It was just what came into my head. I didn’t want to use canned openers ALL night. She laughed and introduced herself. I done some assumption stacking and also asked her a few questions about herself, but the set just never ‘took off’. She never asked me anything about myself. Don’t know if I could have done more, or whether I was simply flogging a dead horse and she would never have been into me no matter what I said/done. It fizzled out.


Approach 4 – Interesting one. I made a Field report a while back about a girl who I met in a bar in a different town – done well with, then went back to her house where we made out and she asked me if I was staying. I didn’t stay because I couldn’t afford to get home by myself as I was away from where I live and shared a cab with my friends. Anyway, I saw her again! She recognised me! I grabbed her and instantly flirted. It was easy because we actually had something to talk about and we spoke a lot about the last time we met. She accused me of not remembering her and said I was ‘a player’, lol. I was ramping up the kino LOTS. I was also thinking about my mistakes last week with a different girl where I never seeded the pull or went for the kiss – both of which I feel hurt me. So I asked her whether she had any drink at her place, trying to kind of invite myself back. I isolated her, and we carried on talking, and I went for the kiss and she turned her head, Denied. If you read the last FR with this same girl, you’ll see she done this that time as well until my 2nd attempt where she complied. We went and danced with her friends..
She was slowly paying me less and less attention. I started talking too her more attractive friend. She was very pretty indeed! Just done some light flirting. Just being fun and physical with her. Anyway, the whole group then decided to go home. I think I might have made another last ditch effort to invite myself back, but no luck!


End of night. Happy that I found my balls, I guess.

Ventured out to London last night for only the 2nd time in my life. Had high hopes, but it was an awful night in terms of 'game' for me.

Not much of a Field Report to post really, unfortunately, since there's just not much to mention in terms of the interactions.

I opened a Canadian girl in a bar for my first approach with an opener about her checking her tinder when she was engrossed in her phone. I tried teasing her and stuff but she told me pretty quickly that she had a fiance.

I opened another girl in a club who also turned out to be Canadian. She had one friend with her who was busy hooking up with some random guy next to her. I tried gaming her, 'making assumptions', asking her questions, etc, but she was just not really responsive. Fairly cold towards me. There was at least one really awkward moment where I ran out of things to say, she didn't talk either, and we both just stood together in silence awkwardly watching people dance. She didn't leave me, but I think that's just because she couldn't really since her friend was busy getting dry-humped so after I ran out of material I bailed on her.

I opened a girl on a Hen night. Asked her which of her friends were getting married as my opener, but I couldn't get her to talk to me, really. I made assumptions' about her and stuff, but she didn't bite at all. Was mildly awkward. Her body language was not remotely welcoming, lol

I opened a couple of older women who were some what responsive and started asking ME questions and stuff, but I didn't actually even find them attractive. I just wanted to keep the momentum going.

The only remotely positive interaction (which was also a very short one) was the second I walked into the club, going down teh stairs, and made eye contact with a pretty young thing. I pointed at her and smiled. I stopped her. Asked her who she was. Spun her around and then hugged her and she complied with everything. But she was on her way out as I was going in and her friends were calling for her to hurry up.

I got one of my harshest ever dancefloor rejections too, lol. Some girl in a group kept kind of half grinding against me. Not full on grinding, but dancing super close to me despite there being space on teh dancefloor. I kind of put my hand on her hip and then she spun around, slapped my hand as hard as she could, and then pushed me with all her force! I didn't really care but for the fact that my friends all saw and laughed, lol!


Sight seeing:
I did see some of the prettiest girls i've ever seen last night, though! When I first got there, there was a group of Russian girls. They looked about 17-18, and they were all 10's. All with their young boyfriends.

I saw a barman who probably gets laid every night running his game which was fun to watch. Looked like he had a system/routine for banging tourists in his bar! He jumped into their photo when they were taking one, told his bar staff to 'cover him' (they looked at him like he does this every night) and then he jumped over teh bar and started chatting the girl up and kinoing her, and then got her a free drink. I wish I could have evesdropped in on his conversation to learn what he says/talks about.

I also saw a blonde STUNNER who I keep thinking about in the club.She was part of the hen night group I mentioned before I think. She had on like a sports bra and looked like a model. Gorgeous face/eyes/teeth. Young too. Some guy was all over her. I thought he'd ruined it for himself since he was so KEEN/needy? She pulled away first on every kiss. Every time he went straight back in, hands all over her. PULL, PULL, PULL....No 'push' - Just seemed super try hard. When I do that teh girls tend to lose interest, so I thought he'd ruined it, but then I saw him grab her hand and march her off somewhere. Player!! Probably banged her in the tiolets or something. I don't imagine she would have left her friends for the night since they were on a hen night, but who knows...

posted that latest FR on a pickup blog, and i'm told that I need MORT STRUCTURE and that I should be using the mystery method.

So I read the book on the back of that advice.

I've approached a few girls trying to implement the ideas in the book.
But I get very confused in the moment. Forget what i'm supposed to do. Forget what i'm supposed to say since it's all so structured and exact.

I'll Open with an opinion opener. (Do you think 'Justin Beiber is hot', or whatever)

I think after the opener i'm supposed to 'neg' her, but i'm not sure what to neg her about (assuming nothing obvious stands out), and I have a bad memory so find it hard to memorize certain 'negs' i've seen online (not to mention they might not be congruent)

I think this is still the 'attraction stage' and I need to do more things like tell DHV stories about myself (such as saving my ex stripper girlfriend from some guy or whatever, to show 'leadership' and 'pre selection' etc)

Assuming she now thinks i'm hot (not entirely sure how I know when to move on, but maybe she's giving me IOI's?), Now I think i'm in the 'male to female' stage (a3) what if i've used up all of my attraction material and she still isn't interested, though?? Do I need to memorize about 50 DHV stories?)

OK, assume i she's attracted. A3 - I need to ask her questions about herself, get her to 'invest' and qualify herself and reward her with indicators of interest. Again, my bad memory makes this hard to remember this stuff in the moment - What questions to ask and to remember to 'hook, bait, release' and use 'push pull' techniques

Now that comfort and rapport are being developed, I can go for the kiss.

Then bounce her to the sex location and close the deal

It's just all super confusing in the moment, though. I kind of get the theory, but you still need to know what to say what if the opener doesn't 'hook' or she isn't interested in your DHV stories or gets upset by the 'neg' etc?

Do any of you strictly follow the mystery method here?

Or is it only for LA girls in VIP sections of clubs etc?

It just seems so different to what people like the RSD guys seem to do where every approach seems to be completely unique and improvised and doesn't seem to follow any sort of pattern. Sometimes direct. Sometiems indirect. Sometimes instant makeout. Sometimes lots of boring interview questions. Sometimes open with a weird funny roleplay etc etc.
But i've been told that I need more 'structure' (hence was advised to read MM)

I try to apply MM in my head to past approaches in hindsight and try to imagine how it might have went.

For instant, the dancefloor girl recently. I opened her by asking which of her friends were getting married.
She pointed. I told her she looked Italian and she didn't say anything. I asked her her name. She replied. I asked how old she was and then she kind of 'dance away' from me, lol.

Now, if I imagine I was using the MM on this girl on the DANCEFLOOR
How might it have gone? I'd have opened her by asking 'who lies more, men or women?' or something?
Assume she replies. Then I neg her about something? (When I neg UK girls, it never goes well by teh way...even playful ones...UNLESS THEY ARE ALREADY HEAVILY INTO ME!)

So should I almost go out with a certain opener, neg and then some sort of DHV story in mind, almost tattood on my arm so I don't forget?

So every interaction will look indentical?
OPEN with 'line A', she responds
NEG her with 'line B'
DHV by using 'story C'
etc etc.

Not sure what route to try next.

Does everyone here follow a strict model where everything they say all night is all planned - what they will say, and when??

Bro.. expect Kowalski to be all over this!
You need to read his shit, then answer your own question.
This planning strategy is just useless in my opinion. As soon as you run out of the canned shit, your back to your boring self.

Can I ask, do you just feel awkward in general around all people, as I get the feeling you do. You overthink every situation. If I start to think and believe my interaction with anyone is getting awkward of course it quickly becomes awkward. Whereas if I genuinely have a desire to know and learn about the girl in front of me as well as trying to either get a smile or bantering, the interaction will be so much more fluid.

Can you use your job to your advantage some how? Trying to get in more 'normal' social situations to enhance this?

Yeah don't bother with MM. Controversial comment but MM has loads of dynamite stuff in it that works but only if you actually have game already and can chat up girls.

Focus on being able to have a normal conversation, playful/flirty, and closing.

I followed it, but it wasn't working, lol. The advice was basically jsut be yourself and don't put any pressure on trying to entertain the girls. Lower the standard of what you think hyou need to say. I done that, but they got bored which lead to lots of instant rejections. Girls want fun. As per my field report, one girl called me out for boring her because I asked about her job! Hence I had to start looking into routines and stuff which is what lead me to MM

But yes, you're right about me talking to myself a bit on this thread, lol. Super quiet forum

i'll try my best going forward to keep the posts shorter) and to implement the advice about giving my own answer to my own question after she has answered (or even if she doesn't bother answering). And also always opening with '''Hey, what's up? How's your night going?'' as Stein staid to do (part of the reason I stopped doing that was because RSDJeffy said it was the worst opener ever and that your opener needs to 'stand out from the other guys') But i'll stick with it for this journals sake. 'But other than that, i'm obviously still gonna be 'winging it' in my interactions