That is stage hypnotism, not hypnotherapy. I don't do stage hypnosis, but I'll take a shot at answering. Double O can correct me, as I know he has some experience in this area. Stage hypnotist see out extremely outgoing people. People wanting to be part of the show. They would probably act that way if you just asked them to do it so that they can have their 15 minutes of fame, so, therefore, it's not a far stretch to get them to do it under hypnosis. I'm sure you know chicks that, give them a few drinks, and they're running around, flashing the crowd. Alcohol just lowers their inhibitions. They are not violating their belief systems. Take a very conservative girl, even drunk, she wouldn't act that way. It's the same with hypnosis. The party girl would strip under hypnosis. But, Vicky the virgin with her legs glued together would never do it. That violates her beliefs.
Look up George Estabrooks. He was involved in the project MKULTRA here in the states to create hypnotized assasins. He believed he could hypnotize anyone, but he found he could not make them kill if it violated their moral codes.

The speed seduction patterns you refer to are really just examples that are used to teach SS students the language (or you can attend my trainings....hint). A skilled speed seducer, NLPer, hypnotist can do it naturally. We understand how to use process language and certain principles of hypnosis that I used naturally, long before I knew a thing about hypnosis, to bed women in my teens and early twenties.

kowalski,

First of all, anyone here notice that my initials are RB? Hmmm, I can think of another amazing hypnotist who has the same initials? What could that possibly mean?

Anyhow, what I mean by all communication is hypnosis is that we are always in and out of trance and when people are communicating with each other it's another form of trance. They are focused on something, much like in a hypnotic state.

Exactly right, we’re all hypnotists hypnotising each other constantly. An intentional hypnostist (if you will) knows the tools to get them to a desired outcome.

For example,

A little boy is shopping with his mum and, in his innocent youthful exuberance, wonders off. Mum, scared to death that her child is missing, looks around and spots him by the sweet counter. Mum storms over and grabs him hard by the arm (anchor) and shakes him, putting him into a fearful state, she then drops the post hypnotic suggestion bomb, “You are a bad boy!”

This is an identity statement and the child, in his suggestible fearful state will take this suggestion from his mother, who is already an authority in his world, and internalise it. Mum didn’t say, “That’s bad behaviour” or even better, “I expect better behaviour from you.” She’s now linguistically bound the poor kids very identity in time (past/future) as being bad to the core. Tell him enough times and this will become one of his core beliefs and haunt him until he starts to act it out, probably becoming a top class scally and getting in no end of shit.

All because mum didn’t know how good a hypnotist she was with her son.

Nobody ever grows weary of a debate. Look at it this way, you're walking down the street, and you see a hottie. I mean, a real fine piece of ass (damn I'm objectifying women here) and you decide you'd like to approach her. Upon approaching and talking you decide that you would like to find a place, a public restroom, a park bench, an elementary school classroom, somewhere to fornicate. Now, tell me, if your intention is the same as mine in such situation, how is it wrong that I use hypnotic language? It's not, is it? We are both doing the same thing, just our methods are different. Our intentions are the same, our desires are the same. Now, it's not right that you always take the things that I left because the right way to do things is sometimes the one way which is left over when people start thinking about things. Now, if you come to a fork in the road, you can turn left, or you can turn right. People may sit and wonder which one is the right way to take but when you eliminate the wrong ways, the one that is left must be the right way to take. So you don't have to think about left an right anymore but so much more as what's left is always the right thing to do.

The rapits intenton is not the same as mine, not even close. His intention is to control another human being via force. My intention is to cause a woman to surrender to her female desires and crave my cock in her so badly that we find the nearest phone booth, taxi cab, church confessional, and shag. I have no desire to fuck up another human being's life. Also, I can take no for an answer.

This is very interesting stuff.

On a side note, how would you measure the motivations of a rapist? - How would you ever find out what motivates them?...

Well, you could conduct some science. I have some experience in trying to scientifically account for human behaviour - it's usually very difficult to do.

In any case, a case series I just read suggested that "rape is more a sexual crime than a violent or power crime" sample size was only 61 - food for thought though.

http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publication...aspx?id=180475

Cheers

Anthony

If we were to sit the rapist down, drug him with Sodium Pentathol for some straight answers, a line of questioning on intent may look something like this.

What do you intend for that woman?

To fuck her (method would be “fucking”)

How do you intend to do this?

With force (method would be “forcing”)

Notice that the intent can be translated linguistically in to method simply by turning it in to a process by adding “ing” on to the disguised verb. This is the magical act of the method being an externalised manifestation of an internal intent. High five for Mr.Crowley :]

Therefore, the Meta Intent that we all share is to fuck. However, our intentions of how to actualise this will vary depending on the rules around our current values. This can be seen at work in the legal system when differentiating between things like premeditated murder and manslaughter, by chunking up from a persons methods to define their intent.

Personally, I totally believe that the human being operating from a frame of abundance doesn’t have to worry about any of this as his nature will guide him naturally to express consideration for the other person.

Human being work perfectly when allowed to reach equilibrium with their needs, no rule book required

I believe that Hypnosis is the rule not the exception and I utilise other peoples natural trance states all the time at work and at play.


OK so a natural to me is someone who has never done any PUA training and a true PUA is someone who has got to unconscious competence which I guess is where Bear and I are at and I know that initially we learned patterns etc and now they are more like a framework of a process which we hang words onto and sometimes we might use a pre-learnt scripted pattern with embellishments as I did with the hypnotist and I can assure you that I had a conversation about Ross Jeffroes and Speedseduction with her BEFORE I walked her through the patterns, which she participated in willingly so I guess that probably there was a level of attraction there already.




Yes you will see this at a stage show but the whole preparation at the start of the show is designed to filter for extroverts specifically in the first place and as soon as someone steps onto the stage they are giving their consent to be a willing participant in the show as most people have a bloddy good idea of what might happen even if they have never seen a live performance before.

I think that the ethics of PUA and especially SS aspects of PUA will always be up for debate as they do seem strange and uncomfortable to the uninitiated but I can assure you that EVERY SINGLE woman I have ever interacted with has thanked me for helping them make positive changes in their lives. Once we are dating I do more than SS with them I make it my business to make their lives happier and more fulfilled and not just because I am in it...

the question is .
is there always an intention behind everything we do ?
like if your being spontanious are you really completly random
or still operating from
a set goal somewere in you mind ? .

because if we are operating from a set goal .
then we are always manipulating there is always
a cost benifet equasion going on in our head.
being awear of it wouldn't make it any worse or better .
you would just know why your doing what your doing .

but if there is true randomness then we can
be pure in our intentions.....

A woman surrenders to her desire to buy an expensive garment. Is the shopkeep forcing her? No. Just tempting her. I do the same with words. She always, I repeat, ALWAYS, has a choice. I would argue that when a man has a knife to her throat, she still has a choice to resist, but she values her life so she doesn't. There's a difference.

I suspect Double O can give a more informed answer on rape than I can as he is a psychologist, I'm just a hypnotist. I focus on changing behavior more than understanding it. He does both, which is why he is better than me. I admit that.
I should tell you, I was in jail once. I spent a significant amount of time. There I met murderers, burglers, drunk drivers, thieves, and rapists. I'm a curious fucker, and all you really talk about in the joint is what you did to end up there (I violated a judge's order, if you must know). I will tell you, every single rapist told me, it was more about the violence and power than the sex. In fact, one was a serial rapist (this is when, due to overcrowding, I was housed in the maximum security unit. a truly fucked up place) and he told me he often didn't even acheive orgasm. Now tell me it's about getting laid.

I take nothing personally. We are a fraternity here for the betterment of each other.