Can someone post a link to this stuff? I'm guessing the delivery of this stuff is very important and its more than just the words alone? Having never of read any of this stuff before i'd love to see what its all about.

Some how, i don't these patterns are in my "introduction to NLP" book :-/ lol. I'll have a look on scribd for SS thought

I would argue that how much of a choice someone has in a particular situation depends on their strength of mind. I know enough people who have very little resolve or tenacity, often due to not being taught mental resiliance by those who brought them up. "I couldn't help it", "They made me angry" etc. How often do we hear people say this stuff? They are not excuses, this is how many people see the world.

These are excuses. Just because that's their model of the world does not mean they don't have a choice, they do. I teach this to people I work on with anger problems. You can literally see their physiology change when they realize they have a choice as to how to react to something. It's all the Meta-model.
"I couldn't help it." You ask, "What prevented you from being able to help it?"

"They made me angry." Ask, "How does what they do cause you to choose to be angry?"

They always have a choice, just like you have a choice to believe me, or the study, or both

As to the right honorable gentleman's question as to where to get SS materials. There is a word beginning with the letter T that I may not be allowed to utter on this site. I don't know the rules here, but some forums forbid torrents of posts about such sites.

I thot I was intelligent but this is way beyond me...Fab thread, love it! Thanks chaps!!

Thank You.

Pushing the envelope is where I like to be glad to have started off a thread that stimulalte good debate amongst good PUA's this is one of the ways to learn.

I remember when I was a noob listening to a couple of very experienced PUA's discussing and sharing techniques at one of Ross Jeffries seminars in LA.

I learnt more being involved in that 20 minute comversation than I did in the previous month reading and striking out at sarging in the field, although I did go straight back out that night an applied some of their guidance and scored an HB that was a top shelf 9.5 even got the pro PUA's who were assisting slapping me on the back the next day for getting bollock deep with her that very evening...

I agree. I think there's less pressure on a person when he is witness to a discussion between two others and is able to learn more.

Totally dood. In fact, the words are about 7% of the communication, voice tone & body language are the rest.

It's not so much what you're sayin but how you're sayin it :]

Actually it's 6.74%, but that's just me being nitpicky.