How could this situation be implemented K? because it genuinely interests me

I mean further than people help the people, absolving bureaucratic rubbish, frivolous lawsuits etc.

Ok so sort of got to the 3rd page of this thread now and decided that I may have to write something.

For a start I DO NOT kill people!! You have this poisoned mind on the Army, have you every been in the Military? If not, then lets stop with the very strong opinions on area which you have no experience in.

The reason I have not been on here is because I have been on 2 weeks leave from Afghan in which I am back now. Do some serious, real research on our military. For a start you should know that we don't shoot anyone without it being an act of self defence, something that you have the right to.

Kowalski sounds to me, and this is a at a guess. That you have had some bad experiences with the forces. In which you are deciding to take it out on me. The reason I said say it to my face, is because you are by FAR a typing warrior. You would say all of this on here but come down to meet me and your opinions would change, the attitude you have towards me will be at a huge difference. Get off you high horse and listen in. You have no clue on the life of the military, what we do and how we work. You wouldn't unless you was a soldier, and if you was then you wouldn't be saying all of this.

Also this war?? Which are you talking about, I have only served in Afghanistan. A country that we was INVITED to by there government to provide support against a terrorist organisations and help train their defence forces. DO NOT confuse the information you gather from the internet and the media to the truth. If you do actually research into the start of the Afghanistan campaign you will see that what I have said is true.

Also I would like to make something apparent to you Kowalski a 'cunt' is:

cunt

noun - vulgar slang

noun - a woman's genitals.
vulgar slang - an unpleasant or stupid person.

I am a communication systems engineer, I am not stupid and I would like to regard myself as a rather pleasant person. So please work on your descriptive words.

Markuk - I have written up 2 Field Reports however as I said before been on leave and enjoying my time off so not sat down and posted them yet.

Nova - yes I am sure that I am a natural now after the last 2 weeks leave. However doesn't stop me wanting to be part of the community. Also I used some material from Mystery which if you see one of my field reports that I will post you will see.

Phil/Dan/daleinthedark & even postscript - thank you for responding to my post in an intellectual manor.

I cam eon here and posted to find my way in the community and what it represents. NOT have a discussion about my job (YES JOB!, it is not a career for me) I joint the Army to gain life experience, learn a trade and earn a good wage at the same time. I am going to move from my job as it has taken over something that was the main point!

I will post my field reports and would like to hear what you guys have to say, I appreciate constructive criticism however insults are not welcome as its not what the community is all about.

Also I do meditate, please do not tell me about my Buddhism because if you knew anything about it you would know that it is a personal belief. No one can tell me I am doing it right or wrong because it is the way I practise it, and the beliefs I have.

You need to grow up Kowalski...you sound about 15 with all the comments you make.

K, thanks for taking the time to reply and I hope you don't mind my rather tardy response however you gave me a lot to ponder regarding my views but mainly the way that I uphold my standards and values both in my personal activities and my interactions with others
For me personally I think there is a big difference between manslaughter and murder and although I am not legal-lingually acquainted with the 2, I think the layman difference of essentially having and not having intent is very important because I think that as decent humans the distinction of wanting to cause harm and accidentally causing harm should be acknowledged especially where punishment or retribution is involved.

That said the point in case for the OP, which I feel supports your PoV for ignoring the difference in this case, is ignorance. Can failing to learn the facts for oneself permit diminished responsibility?
Honestly K, it is something I have thought about it and I find your argument incredibly persuading that it should be classed as murder but I also find it hard to uphold such a view in the face of such grandiose and dispicable misinformation portrayed by the media and governments that combative military service is noble and brave.

For me I vote(d) for the Green Party. Yes the election system is flawed and not effective. If everybody stopped voting because the system is terrible and staged a polling protest/strike to reform the system entirely I think we could acheive that, but until such a time as that is a legitimate possibility and not a minority action I will do what I can, even if that is a silly little vote, as you said, calling him a cunt is better than nothing.

This discussion has also been very benificial for me in questioning what am I doing to further my values/views and improve the world. Honestly not a great deal. Small parts here and there in choosing where I spend my money, signing petitions and sometimes yet rarely going to appropriate events (I liked/endorsed the Independence vote for Scotland as it involved nuclear disarmamant of Scotland). It will take more than a little meditation and forum debate to come to an answer because I wonder even if I committed myself full-time to trying to improve that which I believe, aligning myself with organizations etc., will it make a difference or just appease my conscience. Is the second enough knowing that I tried my best even if the effect is minimal?


I wouldn't expect anything less of you K, that said how do you react in social situations where you don't have a personal relationship with that person but you are with another person, say you meet the friend of Mrs K or a close friend?
I like the idea of being upfront and honest, but at the same time I would not like to cause unwanted consequences for those around me.
When I represent only myself I am trying to be more honest and if a person is a cunt, I will happily tell them and why (although I tend not to use the word cunt). Voting with my feet when I am with somebody seems like the better option, if I do not agree with my wife's friend and it is not a matter that could be discussed, it is easy to walk away.

I wish I could think of a better word than represent as I know that you do not represent Mrs K or anybody else but my vocubulary failed me to think of a word where your actions would have negative ramifications in the life of somebody close to you because socially you are linked. (I hope you realise what I mean and will excuse my lack of ability to express myself clearly)

I will reply more later but it was important to me that I at least start...

Just one on this whole murder subject.....how do you know what job I do...I could be a medic, in which we save the lives of innocent people, and the enemy. Or I could be a Padre...who serves to bring religion to soldiers and help the fallen pass on. You don't know in which you have no right to call me a murder.

Kowaiski..you have such a narrow mind and a stereotypical view. You are not really worth my time and in which have happy made me realise that it is not worth my time to try and help people that sit on the internet with their political and judgemental opinions. I would say see you out in the field but lets be honest with a record of posting like yours I highly doubt you get out in the field much.

Might check up on this in a year or so and see if you are still a sad little man on the internet with his words.

I agree with this in principle and I agree that this action has to start somewhere and if it is a belief that we hold then to be true/authentic to ourselves we should do it. I do however struggle with sympathising/empathising with the social conditioning.

I don’t know how to reconcile the fact that I don’t think we should be using military force and killing in other countries to further politician’s goals but at the same time the military is offered as a socially accepted career and often a « noble » escape path to the general population. I feel that your solution is correct but can I bring myself to be hostile to somebody who is also a victim of somebody else’s greed or perversion?
I would argue that we do have an obligation to stand up for those who are unable to protect themselves (to a degree). If this was not the case, should we care and even try and take any action socially or otherwise against those murdering in the name of queen and country/any other reason? Even if it is just calling them a cunt
Again my skills of expression will and do let me down but I guess dirty isn’t the correct term either. I like the concept of using the right word/phrase at the right time to add the appropriate gravity to what I am trying to say. But this also gives further weight to your point – words can take on whatever meaning you want, use cunt enough and it becomes nothing more than an idiom for arsehole or another insult and you remove any “power” that word has. One such word is awesome - it is incredibly overused instead of good which ticks me off because the few times I have been awestruck by something, it has been more than a cool t-shirt...
I don’t feel words should have power, just an appropriate definition and as my expressive skills are lacking, I generally find it simpler to stick to the dictionary than adapt my own.

One thing I have come back to ponder on is:
"don't do that or I'll not associate with you anymore"
I like it and I don’t think that enough people use it genuinely.

Having (successfully) applied to join the military I was told that first and foremost I would be a soldier, then an officer, medic, engineer, whatever else. It was one of the main reasons that I didn't continue into training.

We actually have a right to call you whatever we wish. The freedom of speech is a fundamental human right that you "fight" for. It is also a right that you are fully able to reply should you wish to call K or me whatever or discuss your views and beliefs...