The problem with guys I think is that they have different tastes and styles. Like I really like intelligent yet innocent-appearing girls, wheras some guys like really overtly sexual women. Just take it as it comes and have fun. You're right in that you need to be prepared to lose him and I think you've got the total right attitude really so its his loss if he doesnt take his chance. Also, which part of wales are you from? My dad lives in cardiff

ah thanx, i mite tell him that myself! im from somerset originaly but at uni in cardiff and loving it! watch out for the next female ross jeffries! x

thanx Jaz, tried that last night, sex was shit and still want the other guy! doesnt work the same as for guys! yeah ur right, its all about managing expectations! im guessing he cant be bothered anyways, has only contacted me once this week x

shame to loose a best mate, lived with him for a year an was lush, but i know what your saying even if i dont want to admit it! thanx again, you give much better advice than my girl friends! x

AHHH confusing! so there still hope haha! the nlp is more for raport/body language e.t.c think you just have to look at ross jeffries face to see that the whole subliminal october man stuff is creepy!

iv not come across that point before, i did think it was about prolonging confusion but works best for him if hes in control of whats happening. again you guys are genious! you need to teach more guys this stuff, life would be so much easier!

from this im guessing the best thing to do is just ask him what the fuck he wants....not sure how to do this without sounding like iv got expectations but fuck it!

thanks x

All I can say is checkout RSDs 'Blue-print de-coded', forget NLP, forget lines, forget routines, it's by far the best 'pick-up' related material i've so far seen out there and I use the term 'pick-up' loosely as it's not really so much about that but about concepts related to the self.

When you truly begin to embrace yourself and believe in your own value then who the hell needs pick-up lines, or nlp or anyother nonsense?!?!

I'm with a few of the other guys when they say they don't think this guy has good game, I don't think this guy really has good game, maybe he knows how to manipulate/control women, but that's not true game.

lol I'm from somerset. Which part?

I have never been a huge fan of the idea of 'PickUp' as you say when you use the term loosely Hustler, or indeed using routines or openers, but I wouldn't want to dismiss it out of hand saying 'forget' it. I guess this is similar to the Faux Natural arguement that is raging between Jaz and Kowalski at the moment.

People need a base point to start from. Perhaps if we'd all seen Blueprint first we would have been just OK and all naturals... who knows! The fact of the matter is that openers and lines get people off their arses and into the realisation that they CAN go up and talk to girls. I'd advocate any starting point if it meant people could change their personal belief system with regards to girls and their approachabilty

Hey Katya!

Cool - this is like an interview with the other team before the game kicks off

dude - there is this chic called Rori Raye who David DeAngelo interviewed..

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I have sneakily been recieving her newsletters and LOVE her stuff, I begrudgingly admit it would work pretty well on us guys, she does a lot of inner game stuff also (My personal belief is that inner game is THE most important and best part of the game) how to talk to a guy without pushing him away (a danger with the whole confronting thing)

She talks alot about how your feelings, femininity and vulnerability as a woman draw him towards you - from previous relationship experience if a woman communicated with me in this way - I would love it, and it would save sooo much agro!

Really don't like her circular dating - must admit tho.... it'd work!

recommend you check her out - good luck!

@Nova, I think you've not grasped my point or perhaps I didnt make myself clear.

I'm not dismissing 'Pick-up' at all, or lines or routines...on the contrary. Particularly for anybody who is new at this or for anybody who wants to start out I'd recommend them. In Katyas case all I'm suggesting is she checks out the Blue-print if she hasn't already, it's clear she knows her shit and she's familiar with PUA terminology, routines, tactics etc, she's not a newbie. I was just suggesting another avenue for her to explore that's all. I imagine she's at a level beyond relying on lines/routines etc.

I have no problem with others using lines and routines, it's where I came from and I'm not ashamed that I ran the tattoo opener well into the ground! In fact with new guys I would recommend they start the ball rolling by approaching with lines or routines for the simple reason it just gets them approaching and opening their mouths to strangers. From there most guys (with any sense) begin to realise of their own accord that outer-game tactics are often a quick-fix and that to really be successful and happy within yourself you need to work on and put more emphasis into your inner-game.

When I first got into this I wanted to know lines, routines, I was all about outer-game thinking to myself fuck inner game. (TD is portrayed in this way in the game, but look where he is now!) I did this because Inner-game concepts were too difficult for me to understand at the time and too much time was to be invested in inner-game that I wasn't prepared to give. I wanted quick-fixes and solutions, this is lazy. Over-time my attitude shifted and I came to realise the benefits of inner-game and personal growth. I believe many guys follow this evolution of game. So by no means whatsoever am I casting any snobbery over pick-up lines or routines.

Even now if I'm struggling for something to say, I will resort to canned material if need be.

For me I see lines and routines as abit like the stabilisers on a bike, maybe not the greatest analogy but here goes... When you are riding a bike with stabilisers yes you are riding the bike, but it's not you keeping yourself balanced on the bike, you are supported by the stabilisers. When you are teaching a kid to ride a bike many of us would agree to use stabilisers is a good thing. If however after 6 months of teaching he/she is still riding with the stabilisers on, is that really a good thing?

This thread is getting abit off topic now,..but I felt I had to make myself more clear.