a wank.. with vaseline... that is VILE... and sludgy, whats the problem with baby oil.. or spit

We approve of justins comment... i think he just wound up all my arguments for me in a few short words

Some say my hair's better short & neat, others say long & messy. Which is correct? Some say tuck your shirt in, others say leave it out. Which is correct? Some prefer ripped jeans, others pin stripped trousers. Which is right? Some girls prefer thick Liam Gallagher eyebrows, others waxed & dyed. Whose to say which one is cool on you? Take your pick. Some might say it's a matter of taste... others would say you can't buy it.

Mystery and style,do more good than harm, so why knock em,i agree with most of what they say. Also have proved a lot of it works.

And yeah looks do matter, to some women more than others, but there are other ways of building attraction.

Girls will see your looks through the frame of how attractive your set of behaviours are over a period of time, whether that be 5 seconds or 5 hours.

If your subcommunications are strong then MOST (not all) of the time, the girl will percieve you to be attractive. If you act like a pussy then i don't care how good looking (by society's standards) you are, they will see you as a chode and may actually see you to be worse looking than you actually are.

Good looking blokes will get the 'free rides' or whatever and think they are choosing, but an average looking bloke with incredible game will pull more consistently and will have ultimately more choice over the girls he nails.

Just my opinion from what i have seen and experienced first-hand.

undoubtedly looks matter as almost everyone has attested to. the disagreement is in how much they matter....

we all know that fat guys pull fit birds and they also pull mingers just as good looking guys pull fit birds and mingers. so why is this? because everyone has different configurations as to what they regard to be good looking/attractive etc.. (lookswise and personalitywise).

once a girl has decided ur looks arnt repulsive and are potentially attractive to her, its then that ur personality/character/confidence etc.. come into seal the deal. in this regard having few self limiting beleifs is vital. this is why on average non good looking dudes dont pull as well as good looking dudes, becasue they have shit loads more self limiting beleifs and so cant seal the deal. on top of this the self limiting belifs cause tem not to approach in the first place or put themslevs in positions where they will get appraoched. the law of averages therefore dictates that they will pull less than good looking guys who do approach etc.. the ugly dudes therefore never gain the skills and experience with girls and so remain plagued with self doubt.

so looks matter because u arnt likely to get instantly blown out for being repulsive if ur good looking. They also help because ull likely have less self limiting beliefs and so be more likely to approach or put urself in positons were u will be approached. also as aresult of being good looking and having few self limiting beliefs u will also be more likely be able to overcome the low threshold for a girls "acceptance" in an interaction and so seal the deal.

the reality therefore is that looks matter...but only superficially for both u and the girl.

As long as ur able to decrease ur self limiting beliefs and as long as u dont look like slough out of the goonies then u can do just as well as the good looking dude...it will however probably require more effort initially than the good looking dudes need to put in, as they will initially gain a higher degree of acceptance from a girl in an interaction than a non good looking guy simply because they are good looking, confident and experienced.

again therefore looks do matter but only initailly and on a superficial level, they are not therefore in and of themselves a deal sealer and not having good looks is not an obstacle that cant be overcome. more important than looks is undoubtedly confidence!!!! having this can enable u to pull just as well if not better than a brad pitt lookalike.

the key therefore is to sort out ur beleifs.

also i think we shouldnt restrct this convo to pulling girls in clubs, i think thats where were going wrong, as arguably looks matter less so out of clubs as interactions are so much more wider ranging out of clubs.

k dizzle!! LMAO! are u serious?

by and large its subjective and possibly measurable objectively (in part at least), either way K ur not going to be satisfied with any answer provided to these questions as previously stated the effectiveness of pu is determined by individuals on a subjective basis. for myself i can say that the accounts i have heard from individuals learning pu is that pu is good. again its subjective.

Nope, they don't mean shit. Ive seen it with my own eyes, they only matter if you believe they do.

You could be the ugliest fucker in the bar, or club or whatever, and if you're outgoing, intelligent, funny, charasmatic, and all these behaviours that cause attraction, it wont matter what you look like, the girl will still be attracted to you, because you believe that she will. and yeah, obviously this doesn't count for anyone that looks like elephant man, or has brown stained teeth falling out, or has a huge boil on their forehead, obviously you need to be groomed to an extent if you're gonna go out on the pull. that shouldnt even need saying

Personal experience, observation of others,

Most of what they say is just common sense,be none threatening and interesting. Does anybody think thats bad advise other than kowalski lol.
Its like anything, it can be done badly in the wrong hands.

Why and what parts of it do you think don't work.

I can provide many examples from personal experiences, what am i getting out of lying, i dont get paid for promoting the MM, Its my honest rational,without bias opinion, strengthened by personal experience and success.

Yet i consider the MM just part of the learning process, most will naturally out grow it.