undoubtedly looks matter as almost everyone has attested to. the disagreement is in how much they matter....

we all know that fat guys pull fit birds and they also pull mingers just as good looking guys pull fit birds and mingers. so why is this? because everyone has different configurations as to what they regard to be good looking/attractive etc.. (lookswise and personalitywise).

once a girl has decided ur looks arnt repulsive and are potentially attractive to her, its then that ur personality/character/confidence etc.. come into seal the deal. in this regard having few self limiting beleifs is vital. this is why on average non good looking dudes dont pull as well as good looking dudes, becasue they have shit loads more self limiting beleifs and so cant seal the deal. on top of this the self limiting belifs cause tem not to approach in the first place or put themslevs in positions where they will get appraoched. the law of averages therefore dictates that they will pull less than good looking guys who do approach etc.. the ugly dudes therefore never gain the skills and experience with girls and so remain plagued with self doubt.

so looks matter because u arnt likely to get instantly blown out for being repulsive if ur good looking. They also help because ull likely have less self limiting beliefs and so be more likely to approach or put urself in positons were u will be approached. also as aresult of being good looking and having few self limiting beliefs u will also be more likely be able to overcome the low threshold for a girls "acceptance" in an interaction and so seal the deal.

the reality therefore is that looks matter...but only superficially for both u and the girl.

As long as ur able to decrease ur self limiting beliefs and as long as u dont look like slough out of the goonies then u can do just as well as the good looking dude...it will however probably require more effort initially than the good looking dudes need to put in, as they will initially gain a higher degree of acceptance from a girl in an interaction than a non good looking guy simply because they are good looking, confident and experienced.

again therefore looks do matter but only initailly and on a superficial level, they are not therefore in and of themselves a deal sealer and not having good looks is not an obstacle that cant be overcome. more important than looks is undoubtedly confidence!!!! having this can enable u to pull just as well if not better than a brad pitt lookalike.

the key therefore is to sort out ur beleifs.

also i think we shouldnt restrct this convo to pulling girls in clubs, i think thats where were going wrong, as arguably looks matter less so out of clubs as interactions are so much more wider ranging out of clubs.