I like zones comment... about naturally growin out..

but i want proof ur not workin for mystery... or maybe u are mystery in disguise???

CREDENTIALS PLEASE ZONE TICKET

You say this, but it's all you ever talk about. The only way you could possibly progress from the smoke screens of the MM is by going deeper into what caused you/one issues with women.

I am going on personal experience when I say this. I had to dig deep to make any genuine changes.

I expected more from such intellect

Even if you saw me do it,you probably wouldn't believe it, the way of an irrational mind.

I live in a shared house, and ever since this guy moved in,we had problems with the internet being crippled, He thinks hes shit hot with computers, one day i complained to him, on his computer i saw evidence of network activity on his computer, despite no download programs open, explained it was probably a configuration problem with his network adapter, but because he thinks he noes it all, he wasnt listening to me, he couldn't see the evidence right in front of him, he was so deluded.

Talking to you,is like talking to him.

Lol av never seen anything like that before, your just picking the worst elements, and putting that label on to every one that thinks MM is mostly good.

Its like saying every bodybuilder is using steroids, or every politician is corrupt.

Thats insanity

I talk about it,because people misunderstand it, people just want something to blame, cause they couldn't figure it out, because they failed, and you and K just prey on that.

For heavily structured game to work I think it would rely on women being highly predictable as you would essentially be behaving like a robot.


There is not a set pattern for any interaction and you can't cater for every possible variable that may happen.

If any of this appears to work you would more than likely have been able to succeed anyway, I just see all this as making things harder for yourself.

What people?

Structured game doesn't have to be heavily structured, this is the misconception,

your point about being predictable is so obvious, its condescending.

I use both structured,and natural game,i think that is the best way,your getting the best of both worlds.

Some things work with certain types of people, some don't. Obvious.

The MM is not fully structured, thats what you don't get.

Nope lol, dont no what the fuck your talking about, My MM material came from The TV show,and magic bullets. If you go looking for shit your find it.



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Its basically the same thing.

I stuck to the more basic aspects, mystery does go to the extremes with his stuff, which is over the top, maybe hes just coming up with stuff to sell. At the end of the day he gives alot of good advice, its up to the guys studying this stuff, what to pay attention too, and what not, I would never advise anybody just to learn MM, its to limited all by itself.

I never read all of it,just the areas i was interested in, found parts very useful.

It seems very clear, your reasons,and personal circumstances, for coming into the PUA community, is different than most.

Why did you even read it, if you started reading it with the mind set, i hate MM and anyfin to do with it, your opinions bias and no good to anyone.

Sometimes it doesn't matter how many books you read, how much u think u know, you will never truly understand something and be qualified to talk about a subject, unless you have experienced certain things.

In other words i think your talking bollocks.

First off, a structured interaction can never be fully structured, somethings can become predictable,but never 100%, so no condescending comments,pointing out the obvious.

Structured game to me is having a game plan,

So i structured opener,body language,subject change, to get social hook.With good material,and execution very effective.

Started to get really good at it,only down side,boredom of using the same thing, so went more natural in my approach.

May aswell throw my 2 cents inl!!

Looks aren't the be all and end all, after all isnt that why most of us are here, cos we weren't the brad pitts lookalikes in our town!! However that said, looking your best is probably more of a help than a hindrance, so take that to whetever level you want.

Be it just having a shower and a shave before heading out or spending 4 days a week at the gym and on the protein shakes. You should enjoy it whatever your doing, even a little extra effort can go a long way, as ive found just by dressing better, it makes me feel more confident, which is what I was looking for, and i get more attention from this alone!

We're here for a good time not a long time!!