Yeah i agree

You go natural when your able to/when u have to ability to express yourself. Am sorry but the bit about the ego is complete rubbish,it is for me anyway.

You no what other things girls find attractive.
Status
Money
Power
Humour
Good looks

You give these girls more credit than most deserve, its like your just being politically correct.

Haha, you really can't handle the notion of dealing with internal game can you. It has to be all about lines and persuasive body language routines - quick fixes and magic pills. You say it doesn't take a lot of effort, but making the effort is where you will see the genuine benefits Zone. Dealing with the core problems ain't an overnight process, I should know.

I have worked on innergame a great deal, so dont assume, i attacked the problem from both sides.

Whos talking about magic pills and quick fixes, i was only talking about body language skills not taking much effort, to whole thing took alot of effort.

Your incapable of being unbiased

Av read comments on here,about guys getting seriously rejected, for approaching badly, one guy said as he leaned in to her and she put her hand on his face and pushed him away, nasty bet it took him awhile to over come that.

the value is, in the difference between those 2 approaches.

Assume what?

Body language shouldn't be a 'skill' Zone. If you'd genuinely have tackled this side of things, i.e. that you have to 'look' a certain way to attract, you'd have no issue with trying to kid everyone into thinking 'that girl has approached him'.

Being, not doing. One the best ways it can be put.

I wasn't trying to kid anyone, i was just stating the effects good techniques can produce.

They teach things like that in applied psychology, why shouldn't it be a skill, your more concerned with fitting in with your distorted beliefs.

Body language is a form of social skill, get a book on social skills see what it teaches.

Why would it take him a long time to get over that?

The girl rejected his approach, not him. You have to be extremely insecure to let a random girl you don't know affect you.

Please explain the good effects of everyone 'thinking' a girl has approached you? To me this is the age old scramble to showboat to others.

Definately

In my honest opinion as a newbie get magic bullets as Zone said as its a very good book. Revelations is even better ( Venusian arts newest book) has EVERYTHING you need in there and goes very deep.

Start of with routines to build up confidence and to approach, be social, come under the radar and get yourself out your comfort zone ( you never ever get rejected asking an opinion and gives you the chance to get a conversation going).

To be in a social mood the first bar you go into try and approach 3 sets within the first 15 minutes and all you need is one good interaction and you will be in a talkative and social state for the whole night. This is BIG i cant emphasis how important this is.

When your having a night where your completely ON drop the routines and try be completely natural because when your completely in the zone your body language and words that come out your mouth flow out like gold but dont rely on state to be good , this is a big mistake i made for a while, relying on state will make you worse. Just focus on being fun and social.

Even if your not a big fan of the routines Mysteries actual structure of the attraction process is spot on and Mysteries method does work. You will gain alot of knowledge reading Mysterys newest book as hes dropped alot of routines and focuses alot more on social intelligence and the social matrix. Its a damn good read , much much better than the original mystery method.

When your advanced and starting to get good start getting into RSDs products such as the blueprint by Tyler Durden (best PUA product out there) and Tims product because they focus on natural game which is attracting the girl with no structure or scripted material. In my opinion natural game is advanced NOT newbie products and i think if you start using natural methods as a newbie you will get destroyed infield and rejected alot more than going indirect and this will probably dent your confidence even more.

I know alot of guys on here are hardcore natural game fans and i love it but i strongly recommend you start off indirect. Its better to start off with some sort of structure rather than go in natural and not have a clue what your doing because you will go in be direct give your value away straight away, girls will know exactly what your doing, interview style questions.. awkwardness and then its goodbye , just another chode.

Golden rule my good pua friend told me, ALWAYS have the girl chasing you.

You as the man should be the selector. Once you can feel yourself trying hard to chase her i guarantee her attraction for you will go , you shouldn't be chasing and trying hard , she should be qualifying herself to you.

Hope this helps semtex

lol ok if the guy gets rejected that badly, i suspect hes new to this,not exactly a master PUA, he probably hasn't got his act together, and therefore may of been knocked back by it.

If he didn't lean in he wouldn't of obviously made her feel uncomfortable enough to physically push him away.

She did reject him and his lame approach.