A neg I recently made up and need a second opinion here before I go out and test it...(I also need some technical advice in understanding exactly what PART of the routine the neg is and where it ends)

At the bar while she's next to you ordering a drink...you look down and then up at her and say...

You: Hey, those are very nice shoes...
[she smiles]
...I gotta say they're a liiiittle old fashioned for my liking, but very cute nonetheless.
[you smile]

Her: Hey these are so NOT old fashioned!
[she WILL have something to say along these lines to defend her pretty little shoes]

You: Don't worry I still think they're nice. Where'd you buy them from anyway? An antique store or something?

[she'll probably smile and hit your arm]

Her: I actually got them from xyz store...

You: [looking pleasantly surprised with a bit more energy] Fancy that....that's where my grand mother go's to get her shoes too. [you smile]

She'll probably hit your arm by now smiling from ear to ear...

...get chatting and eventually once things get going you can bring it back in by saying something like..

"So what does a girl like you do with herself anyway...aside from spending your time in the shoe department of antique stores that is" [grinning smile]

[should get more laughs as shes about to tell you her story, she should be fairly comfrotable by now and from here it shul dbe down hill if you keep it up]

A few questions...

1. What do you think of this neg? (Im going to test it out but anything you can see that might not work)

2. Im battling to see where the definition of the actual Neg is here...ie. does the actual neg end after ive said 'theyre old fahioned, but cute.' when I first open her, and from there its just cocky comedy right? I know a neg is to disarm her...but the second and third cocky comments where I say 'did you get them at an antique store or something'..and... 'ah yes my grand mother shops there too' are these also negs, or is this just plain cocky comedy? Anyone care to comment on the structure here?

Looking at this it's not even a neg really , it starts out as one but then becomes your own little in joke , gives you and your girl a bubble to work in .
Be careful though Vision as you seem to use it alot in your script up there . Use it once , at a stretch a second time but don't keep going back to it as it will look like this

Her 1st time ... funny , he's teasing me
Her 2nd time ... yup still funny , obviously still on it
3rd ... ok shut up about the shoes now
4th ... seriously , have you got nothing else to talk about ??

The beginning is good as a little tease so use it but then chill out on it and maybe use it when you call her after or in a cute text !

The problem with negs ... Some guys use one and find they get a good reaction but then unfortunately they then go overboard as if it made her laugh the first time ... it must make her laugh 100 x ... noo !

God im going back abit here but as Style said ... Use a neg like a pebble , throw it and carry on your fun exciting interaction

Hope that helps

Ok 2 things you could maybe comment on (appreciate your feedback Swype)

1. When you say the beginning is good as a little tease, up to what point in my script? Do you mean the jokes after the neg, or the actual neg itself? Ie. As you probably know the neg is not really a tease, im meant to act genuinely serious when saying the neg (if I made out like I was JOKING while saying 'theyre a liiitle old fashioned for me, but theyre cute' then it wouldn’t have the 'neg effect'. Almost like the 'fake nails' neg, when doing this one you need to act genuinely dissappointed when she says her nails are not real,she needs to feel and see this dissappointment in you for the effect to work. So I assume by teasing part you mean the 'where'd you buy them? From an antique store or something?'...followed by the 'my grand mother shops there too'...did you mean I stop at this point!?? (seems like a good place).

2. Am I right in saying the neg is NOT meant to come across as a tease...its meant to display higher value and raise your status. (meaning you should be genuine/serious about it else it wont work)

3. I was also under the impression that what I described was a routine, however its a routine that simply starts out with a neg. ? (surely a routine is simply a predetmermined lines that youre going to say with anticipated responses)

And yes I totally see your point about not coming back to the shoe thing for a 4th time, it is probably overdiong it (even though it’s a throwaway/sideline comment before the conversation leads off in another direction, but I get ya)

Yo K,
Are you saying that you dont do Negs at all matey? Cos as you said when you neg you start a position of lower value...but negging is part of the game, isnt it?
Thanks.

I am totally all for keeping positive vibes and stay far away from negativity myself, however I do believe negging has it's uses, mainly with HB 9's and 10's. The reason is that no matter how worthy you think you are of her, she may have a string b-shield up and before even interacting with you may put it up and block you out (as she is soooo sick of guys coming up to her saying the same old thing). She has reframed the act of a guy coming up to her as an irritating and begative thing! So negging helps this by...

1. differentiating yourself from the herd (the herd annoys her!)
2. brings her back down to earth (this doesnt mean taking value away from her, its bringing her down to a level whereby you can simply interact with her, this is clearly important if you want to get anywhere)
3. creates a challenge for her (clearly a 'must' for creating attraction)
4. create curiosity/interest (as no other men have ever acted like this towards her before, she wants to know what its all about and is intrigued)

I agree with you Kowalski theory of negging but only when it comes to 5-7's, in this case they are generally more open to be approached anyway so they are already at 'ground level'.

What I am trying to say is that even if you feel you are worthy of her and as confident as hell, sometimes one still needs to soften her up to get her out of her usual frame of mind. (and a subtle neg can do this nicely and create interest and a challenge). by negging her youre almost indirectly saying 'hey dont worry im not like the rest, its ok to talk to me, cant you see Im different'

...then one more thing...what on EARTH is up with this forum??? It sometimes takes me 5 times to log in? its bazarre....I literally hit the log in button and it says invalid credentials...I keep doing this and eventually I am able to log in.

Also, once I am logged in, as soon as I try submit a new post, it will prompt me AGAIN for log in credentials...getting REALLY annoying now, specially when youre trying to keep up with a particualr post and you cant get in.

I honestly haveto agree with you both !

Whereas i , like K , feel that negging on a girl does lower your own value (not teasing however as that is a completely different thing and i tease ALOT)

I also agree with Sync in that some girls , namely the 9's and 10's are unfortunately ... Up themselves and have placed themselves in a position of power in their own minds . This is where i do sometimes feel that afew negs or 'pebbles' should be thrown their way . More just to show that you are not afraid of this act she puts on and that you are completely unphased by it .

kowalski,I think you came back well with your last comment, however as a newbie I have been studying a lot of mystery method audio and video workshops along with the annihilation method. I can assure you that NEGs are a foundational part of the PUA game, as much as false time constriants, kino testing and and other tools that should be in your ansenal. Your statements regarding not taking away value kind of misses the point.

The main belief behind NEGs theory is that every time you go into a set, you want to quickly sub communicate that that you are not attracted to the target (thus lowering the bitch shield.) Mystery has now changed the meaning of NEGs and now disqualification theory is a more accurate description of whats going on with NEGing.

We can see from your last posting that you yourself used disqualification theory, by stateing to the target that you were gay, (thus disqualifying your self as being attracted to the target and thus lowering said bitch shield). I personally admire your game for that however by your own reasoning someone else could come on the post and say you lied and why should you lie thats not authentic.

Vision ... As I understand the method, you should use NEGs to subcommunicate that you are not attracted to the target, to allow you the time to run canned stories that demonstrate higher value to the target and the rest of the group. The combination of the NEGs and DHVs along with the rest of the game should trigger the hardwired response of attraction within the target.