Carrying on from my thread 'Ermm' in the field reports section. I don't know how to transfer posts cos I'm not that clever.

So, the current debate is how immoral it is to have your evil way with a fair maiden that is already taken by a fellow geeza. Oh, and the value of relationships kind of ties in there too I think. I'll be back later cos I've got a load of work that I should be doing.

I think the real question is here: Why be moral?
I'm gonna read up on some stuff about this so I'll be able to write a more lengthier post on this. For me being moral, or in this particular case, is a result of empathy, and possibly something to do with karma. I'm working tonight so I'll post more tomorrow evening. X

That's an intresting question SJ, I've asked myself that. You're under no legal obligations to act morally in all that you do. Although you could say it is an unwritten law, it best serves human society, if we didn't feel the need to act morally we would be savages.

[quote=Summer Junky;16192]I think the real question is here: Why be moral?

Damn!!!

I go to the lakes for one weekend and y'all open this mother f**ker up!!

(Thanks K for summarising the main points so far) x

I kinda agree this thread could get really detailed very fast.

But it is a very important question, every day in some way or form our actions bear out the debate on why to be good.

The reason I hear most, in a round about way, when I discuss this with people is, do unto others etc.. The enlightened self interest view.

Enlightened self-interest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Discuss. :-p

My position:
I have been on the receiving end of being cheated upon (Nov 2008) and been with a married woman (July 2009). I was devastated when my gf cheated on me and it was doubly harder when I found out about the affair of someone else. That triggered me to look for "relationship" answers on the internet and stumbled upon the PUA community and the rest is history. Never thought I would do it to someone else's gf/wife/partner knowing how I felt at that time. But I did it and as I mentioned in my pevious post, I felt so guilty. The short term pleasure/gain wasnt worth the guilt I felt inside me for the next two weeks. Lame maybe! Hence, I have decided NEVER AGAIN. I personally think it is down to the individuals to have their own conviction on this issue. Done it, worn the t-shirt and not going there again...!

Indeed I was in this situation. The score was - she had a boyfriend back in Taiwan of about 3 months (2 of these months on Skype).

We are now an item 5 months on but for her it was a long road to getting shot of her boyfriend. I would therefore warn you it is not as simple as it may seem (even though he was abroad!). Girl's emotions are indeed a lot more volatile than ours and it seems however unsatisfied they may be with their boyfriend it might proove more difficult to leave the boyfriend than for a man to leave a girl in the same senario. She is from Taiwan so there may be a cultural thing here too. She expressed a lot of guilt and said she was bad. I always reassured her that she should feel free to do what she wanted and not do what others expect.

In the end it took her a good couple of months to give him the boot. The fact there was no significant contact between them made it morally acceptable for me, plus the fact she had only had significant contact for a few weeks. This still made it hard for her. I never pressurised her to leave the guys and knew she wanted me over him all along. I therefore felt no guilt and let her get on with it in her own time.

I guess I was lucky he was not on the scene, had this been the case things would almost certainly been stickier, and I may have not bothered taking things further.

In conclusion - don't expect it to be straight forward!

Nobody said they don't want to be moral. You have to look at something as important as morality and question it. That's what philosophies all about (and yes I know I don't need to tell you that) I'm actually quite surprised that your'e not interested in sharing a small amount of knowledge on the subject for us eager beavers.

SI find this topic very interesting so much so I have texted Anthony to hear his own opinion. Not sure if he will, not sure his involvement in the community these days, we'll see. Be nice to hear others' views (Jaz, Tom, Twisted, Sapmi, Red, Retro, Darood, Swype, Jynxy etc etc)!

I think I already said all that K, do unto others as you would have others do unto you.

But well done on fleshing it out. I'm a lazy so and so... X

Ha!!

Was i pissed off when someone mugged me and stole my mobile. HELL YES.

Would i be equally pissed if someone stole my car, or any of my possessions. HELL YES.


The catch 22 with this is you do NOT own or posses another person. That person has to freely give themselves to you. You can say your are someone's BF but you can never say that she is your GF, only she can say that.

The moral stand for me on this would be that IF i'd gotten to a stage in a relationship where we were clearly only seeing each other, maybe gotten to the stage where unprotected sex was the norm. If some guy was to then sleep with her i would be very offended / pissed off / betrayed, even worry for my own health. So me personnel i wouldn't want to put another person through what i would go through.


I know K doesn't like referring to books where there is only a very small take away, but there is one that has 10 commandments in it (even though a lot is a bit far fetched), that the majority of laws and social norm is based on, and i do believe in the "do unto others as they do unto you" philosophy.

Peace

Retro