I thought ethics was moral philosophy?

How is the title of this thread irrelevant... this is what we are supposed to be discussing here?

If its not relevant, lets not talk about morality then... I like custard.

There is a difference between something that is Moral and something that is Ethical.

"The difference between ethics and morals can seem somewhat arbitrary to many, but there is a basic, albeit subtle, difference. Morals define personal character, while ethics stress a social system in which those morals are applied. In other words, ethics point to standards or codes of behavior expected by the group to which the individual belongs. This could be national ethics, social ethics, company ethics, professional ethics, or even family ethics. So while a person’s moral code is usually unchanging, the ethics he or she practices can be other-dependent."

That's what I said but in shorter form, a moral philosophy or ethic!

Also K was arguing about principles when he mentioned ethics so you can have a principle which is present in morals and ethics. In fact they are the basis for morals and ethics so you criticism isn't really relevant as he mentions it with morals and ethics too.

I think what has happened here is you have thought "do unto others..." is a good rule of thumb to live by but actually stated earlier So you have said here that it is not a rule of thumb so K has gone into detail pointing out the flaws in "do unto others..." and that it has exceptions.

So to clear this up...

Is 'do unto others...' you firm moral standpoint, if so you need to address why K's criticisms are not valid (and you can't just say it's my morals you can't question them otherwise there's no point in having this debate)
Or do you believe that 'do unto others...' is a moral rule of thumb which is basically what K has been saying all along and I think you hinted at when you said

Agreed.. but like wise you can have morals which are contradictory to ethics.

Assisted Suicide for an example.


Absolutely.. Everything has its exceptions and to be clear "this is how it is, with no exception" is just stupid (going back to my calculator example). If you drive up to a painted stop sign in the road, do you stop there until some dude comes, burns off the paint on the road and re-paint it with GO?

Can we discuss Fluid Mechanics or Thermodynamics. I'm bored now .....

holey fuck.

is there an abridged version of this thread?

Can someone shrink it into a few sentences?

I can do better - 1 sentence: DO UNTO OTHERS....

Kowalskirt, wrong forum matey. ....

Came back after a few months just to discover the same shite..! I give up. Is there any wonder the likes of Adam, Rood, Pikard, Sync, don't post as much anymore. One disagreeing reply, you get bombarded by skirt and his arse-licker side kick. Last post, I'm outta here. Sorry Jaz, I did say I posted again but nothig ever changed whilst skirt is about running this forum. Enufff said. There you go, I burned my bridges.

Wow this got really nasty!
I don't think K was on about you ledge when he was talking about fucktards and I was trying to clear things up and move the discussion on, if you actually bothered to read anything but at least we got to see your true colours.