I never advised anyone to choose x number of approaches. I asked why Shah thinks it is a bad frame, twice now. He failed to answer the question. I can only assume he doesn't even know why he thinks this.

I post on this forum, because i feel uncomfortable if a newbie gets the wrong advice. If you can prove me wrong, i promise i will stick my hands up and say "you were right, i must be a universal anomoly".

Having goals as a newbie is FUNDAMENTAL! Again, its part of learning theory. The more you go out, the more you approach, the better you will get. We even played approaching games when us lot went out! For newbies, depending on how socialized they are, they need to undergo fear conditioning. Once they're accustomed to approach, they can do well in set. Having a little goal, on a session by session basis, stops you from pussying out if a set goes significantly bad, or weird. Like any type of training, you got sets and reps. The brain is actually physically changing when you do this. Going out on a whim the "the right attitude", will definitely NOT suit everyone, except the already socialized people, who have a limiting attitude (like a guy who can't get girls because if he does, the devil will boil him in oil, but he already has skill).

So having a number of sets as a goal is NOT a shitty attitude, when you're out in set, especially day game, and you're a newbie. If you're not a newbie, its pointless and a shit goal. Advanced people, like myself, don't really "game", or "go out on the pull". We're generally just socially awesome.

This is fucking ridiculous, this used to be a PUA forum.

I'd be happy to read it - I could use some toilet paper.

Because its irrelevant how many you approach, I did answer you, who cares if you speak to 50, 700 or 4 during the night. What matters is what you do when you are speaking to her.

This is one of many reasons. I'm not disagreeing with learning, pick-up, 'fear conditioning' or anything. Lets kiss and make up.

Thus it's not a bad frame, just irrelevant. Got there.

Yeah the girls toilets, pussy.

Hahaha if it makes you feel big and clever plus ends this, I'll say you are right.

Post some anyway

This number of approaches issue lol. My main post said "you need to go out to improve". It had "number of approaches" as an example of a little goal he could have, when he's out in field. The Shah exploded that minor point, into "bad frame". Then in my last post, I somehow, defended my first post, which I didn't need to do, with the conclusion "number of goals are ok", further inflating the annoyance (relevant or not) the "number of approaches debate"

Kowalski says:

"You argued for why it can be good to have goals, which is not even being disputed by anyone. Then concluded that a specific type of goal is therefore good"

Fair point.

OK, i've tried to think "why would having an amount of approaches per sarging session not be a useful goal". Bare in mind I want to help newbies out, I think having a minimum amount of approaches in mind is a good thing. It allows you to record your approaches keeps you up to date with how much training you're doing (the number of trials, as you say in psychology), you can see whether your progress is stagnating so you can ask for help if needed. The main point of this goal is part of motivating you in the field. This especially applies to day game, where sets are harder to find. The major chore is wondering around town, looking for girls, which is the frustrating part.

The relevance of this diminishes in night game because you're enjoying the environment more (pub, dancefloor), so you don't have to keep yourself out in field really. Targets are all around. You could do way more approaches at night, and approach anxiety is a lot less.

For newbies, for day game, I would say start with 2 approaches a day, do no more than an hour a day (min 4 times a week). This may increase over time because you get more efficient. I think 5 approaches a day is a reasonable goal eventually. Do this for 6 months, then, you're on your way! Action=results

I think this is a relevant advantage. If anyone has a relevant disadvantage to this please post it, for the sake of the newbies. I think on my end, I've said my piece