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Default 24-10-2010, 01:01 PM

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Props to you for getting out there, and for such detailed reports.

Does strike me though that you are very dependent on this thing called "state".

Firstly everyone goes through periods when they feel sociable and times when they dont. Personally I don't feel the need to beat up on myself because the last time I went to tescos I really just wanted to buy a few things, mind my own business and get out rather than open half the female shoppers.

Imagine that you don't open a set for week, but you find yourself opening the super hot girl behind you in the checkout queue without hesitation, without having "worm up on a few sets first", without thinking that you have to in order to meet some self imposed quota, without needing to listen to loud music, shout "yeah, Im the shit" really loudly, click your finger or use some NLP or other artificial bullshit to get into this thing called "state".

Imagine instead that you just did it because you are a cool spontaneous confident guy

I strongly suggest checking out Tyler Durdans blueprint course since he covers this area very well indeed.

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It was actually the Blueprint and other RSD products that got me started on this challenge. It was something Tyler did very early on. All the RSD stuff is fantastic!

I appreciate that one of RSD's main message is to overcome the need for all the artificial bullshit of the PUA world and develop core confidence within yourself. However, I need to get out there first and practise. Part of that is forcing myself to go out even when I don't want to.

Yes there are some times when we don't feel sociable, but there are also times when this just won't do e.g. approaching a hot girl, a date, a job interview, and important meeting, a Birthday party, a wedding, any time where you are in a social environment with new people. I want to be in a position where I can be sociable if it is necessary.

I am very dependant on state still. You are right about this and it does bother me that sometimes I can feel like the most amazing charismatic man there is who everybody adores and is awe of and other times I feel like a shy nervous chump who has to think about what he is saying and is bothered by what people think of him (I call this feeling as trapped in 'social chains').

However, to be honest I'm not bothered if people think bad of me, so long as they've actually met 'me' and not some watered down version. Its more when they think I'm someone I'm not because I feel I can't act myself around them that is annoying and that is probably the main reason why I joined this forum in the first place (in my view this is the main reason that holds me back with women too).

Going out every day for 30 days and approaching 5 women is my first stepping stone towards becoming this 'cool spontaneous guy' all the time (or at least have a lot more control over it - at the moment it controls me to an extent). I don't expect to be doing this forever, I just want to kill off any insecurities that are still there that sometimes stop me from been the person I naturally am. It was definitely starting to work and I expect to get amazing results when I start again properly on 1 November.

There is also a reason I have picked 30 days. I heard somewhere that doing something straight for 30 days is the time it takes to enforce a habit within your mind. I am testing that theory. I am hoping after these 30 days my constant need for state will have decreased.

I'd be interested to know what have learned form the Blueprint and how it has helped you?
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Friday 15 Oct

No approaches, as I am on a break for a bit (see previous post).

Went on a date with Polski (99). Just went for a couple of drinks. We went 50:50 on purchasing. Unfortunately she had to be up for work the next day, so she couldn't stay out late. Logistics made it hard to kiss her (table in the way) of us. After drinks took her to see Tower Bridge. Thought it would be good to go for a kiss close there. We got there. I thought about it and then it suddenly dawned on me that my teeth were chattering, I was freezing and this a really really unsexy situation! Thought again at tube, but just didn't feel it.

She sent me this text later on that night "I've just came was nice to meet u Snake Eyes! Good night....x" . Either this was just poor English or a very cruel text telling me she had just been fucking someone else haha!!

Sat 16 Oct - Tues 19 Oct

No approaches! I did run over 30 miles which I was quite pleased about!!

Wednesday 20 October

Westfield shopping centre. Targets were not good! Only fitties were hired guns!

108) Shop Girl. Asked if she got reception in here. Meeting my friend etc and can't get through rolled into story about my friend I was meeting. She seemed too young so I ejected.

109) Soap girl on a break. Phone opener. Fit, was going ok, but then she tried to sell me soap. Was nice getting her to rub lotion on my hands I suppose. I told her I wasn't going to buy her soap, teased her more and then left to meet my wing.

110) Random walking girl: Wedding present opener. She was married, but we had a fun flirty chat.

111) Mum and daughter. Directional/wedding present opener combined. Felt weird her Mum was there, so left.

112) Another stall girl. Asked about area (was meeting Polski soon and wanted to know what it was like). She was really cold with me and eventually told me to ask someone else. Made my blood boil! Was very angry she was so rude. Does she not know how much work I'm putting into this haha.

113) Stall girl just hi I think. Went well, was the only approach of the night that I felt hook, just not fit enough!

114) Massage Girls hi. Fun but nothing! Wish we had talked to their friends - they were much fitter!

I then met with Polski. We had another 'nice' date. She is a vet which I find interesting, but she is a bit too goody two shoes I fear.

Again no kiss close! WTF Snake Eyes!! Again table logistics fucked us! After we left I did at least try this time, but she told me to wait until Saturday (I am going to her B'Day). I do want to see this girl naked as I reakon she has a sexy toned body under there, but it could be a lot of work for crap sex. She dresses bad too!

Thursday 21 October

No approaches. Ran 10 miles and listened to Motley Crue. I just finished there biography 'The Dirt' by our old friend Neil Strauss. Fucking awesome book! Also quite good for mind set. I feel a bit like a rock start right now haha!

Friday 22 October and Saturday 23 October

These sort of roll into 1 as I didn't go to sleep

Met some wings, got AA for a bit (this is what happens when you don't go out!), then we went to Camden!

115) Bar. Directional. Was going ok. She said she works in television and I said, 'cool do you work at Currys or something then?'. Worked a treat, she was hitting me and stuff, but then a guy she was with said 'nice line'. Shouldn't of freaked me out, but it did. I became paranoid he knew what I was up to. In the end her friend dragged her aware, despite enjoying herself.

LESSON LEARNT: Engage and disarm the obstacles!! I should have chatted to the whole group more so they liked me and I wasn't another strange man trying to hit on their hot friend!

My wing asked if I wanted a drink. I said yes. Opps........

116) We went to Proud gallery in Camden. First set was some Spanish birds. 'Spanish' was my opener! Good chat, they went for a cigarette and never saw them again.

117) Girl approached me. She said I looked like someone she knew. Engaged the group. Chatted to her friend who I quite liked. Went ok, should have looked for her later!

More drink

118) 3 girls. Said something I can't remember. They liked me, but I think my wing may have messed up using routines/quizzes on them. Doesn't see to work too well in club type environment. They weren't that hot though, so think he did me a favor.

119) Getting kind of hazy now! Outside fat girl and her little fit sister. Went ok, but didn't hook (the cute one).

120) Some one else outside. She seemed to like me, but I was pissed and not finding her that fit which is always a bad sign, so I took some cigarettes off her and then ejected!

Drunker!

121) Hot German girl. Lost her. Grrrr!

122) Some girl near dance floor! She asked how our 'mingling' was going! Oh oh she knows what we're doing!

123) Frosty Turks! The only girls who were cold to me all evening! I was opening good, just not hooking anyone really! Is difficult in a club environment when your full of beer I guess!

Drunkest!!

124) Some Swedish girl. Remember she was fit, but I was in drunken butterfly mode now and flew off some where else!

125) Some ugos. They were amused by me.

Whilst all this was going on I had been texting a girl I slept with a few months back who recently returned to London (she has been travelling the world). I have been talking to her off and on for the last couple of weeks and knew she was keen to meet. I called her and went to Old Street to meet her....

126) Bus stop talked to 2 girls, as well as a lot of others on the bus. We were debating what was better - Friday or Saturday nights. Could be a good opener, people seem to like talking about it.

Met travelling girl, who was with 2 friends. We went back to her friends house and the bingeing continued! Bring out the cocaine!! Shouldn't really have been doing this a week before a very important race, but it was fun! At 8 in the morning we eventually went to bed (or sofa for us), but she wouldn't fuck me due to logistics (thought someone would come in - which was a fair point given we were in the living room of a 4 person house). I booked a taxi back to ours and in our drugged up state we were off to Snake Eyes Ville!

We got back to mine, but she continued to LMR me! It took 3 days to fuck her last time, but I didn't think she would be like this again. Eventually after lots of resistance she asks if she could have a shower! Sure...

She went into the ensuite and I sat there wondering if she wanted me to join her or not. Luckily coke means these thoughts don't last very long and I decided she did, so I went in there and barged in the shower, pressed her against the wall and started fingering and fucking her. I must admit I love showering with girls! Reminds me of Thailand (that holiday would be a thread in its on own right though!!)

We crash out of the shower, not even bothering to dry ourselves and I throw her on the bed and enter her again. Eventually realise I should have a condom on (opps). The worst thing is the only reason I suggested a condom was because I felt I was going to cum too quick and didn't want to (it worked though)! Does worry me how my brain works when I'm fucked! We banged away for a long time and once again later after an hours kip.

I did two things here that are quite knew to me. I was quite rough with her through out as I remembered she liked that and I spent quite a bit of time choking her whilst I was still inside her (missionary - I go back to my knees and put my hands around her throat - a sexual move I now call the 'choke 'n' poke'). I'm still undecided if I like this or not. She went mental (in a good way) when I did it. I definitely found it dominant which is good, but it was also kind of weird. I also slapped her round the face at one point ('slap 'n' tap'??), which she didn't seem to like as much (hmm that doesn't actually sound too good, I'm not a woman beater or anything!! - it wasn't very hard for the record and it was in context!). I've had friends who have had really rough sex before and loved it! One friend of mine used to date a girl who used to thrive on been whacked around the face quite hard when he was fucking her. This may be quite personal, but what are people's experience of this? It could obviously go very wrong if you went to far!! I guess you need safety words or something?!

Also how do you guys go about asking for anal sex with a 1 night stand?

Whilst we're on the subject - how are you guys on dirty talk? I am crap and don't really know what to say except - 'do you like it?' 'Your wet aren't you?' 'Harder?' 'Yeah you like that don't you' 'it feels good inside you' amongst other things that aren't really that great!

I never made it to Polskis unfortunately as I had no money and only had about 1 hours sleep after all of the above. I hope this hasn't fucked things up for me there. Maybe it has actually helped, hmmm - will know soon enough I guess.

Sun 24 October

I ran 14 miles. No approaches
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Default 24-10-2010, 11:17 PM

Analysis of first 100 approaches

Ok this probably isn't a good idea entirely as it means I am becoming very results orientated (it could also be verging on a bit obsessive and weird too haha, but fuck it I like this sort of stuff!). However, I was interested to see what was working and what wasn't, so as long as I don't get hung up on the results I think it could be a good learning experiencing. Ok, so this is an overview of my first 100 approaches.....


Openers

'Hello or variation of'

9, 19, 29, 44, 26, 85, 45, 13, 16, 17, 32, 33, 46, 47, 48. 49, 50, 51, 52 , 53, 54, 57, 59, 87, 91, 92, 93

Observational/Situational

2, 4, 5, 6, 7,8, 12, 14, 28, 58, 12, 71, 75, 90, 18, 23, 25, 30, 31, 37, 38, 39, 41, 43, 55, 56, 63, 67, 69, 77, 78, 79, 86, 88, 94, 95, 100, 10, 71

Direct

3, 15, 36, 99, 22, 64, 65, 68, 76, 83

Directional

1, 11, 21, 34, 35, 62, 66, 68, 80, 81, 82, 89

Other 'Canned/pre-planned'

60, 96, 98, 24, 37, 40, 42, 61

?

20, 27, 70, 72, 73, 74, 84, 97


Successful Openers

'Hello or variation of' 26% (success rate) (would be a lot higher if not for silly singles night eww!)

9, 19, 29, 44, 26, 85, 45

Observational/Situational 15%

28, 58, 12, 71, 75, 90

Direct 30%

99, 22, 64

Directions 8% (and was only a flake!)

11

LESSONS LEARNT

Directions is lame and shit. Canned stuff is not brilliant either!

Observational and hello openers are far better as they are natural and I feel more myself. However, it is not always possible to do these! Observational/situational - you need to think of something on the spot. Sometimes my mind goes blank! Hello openers work good in bars or some sort of social event, but a girl on the street?? Not tried it yet! Maybe I should. Just feels a bit weird too right now! I better have a damn good follow up if I do this!

Direct - scary shit, but almost always seem to get a good response even if I don't close! Good for 1 girl on the street. Not tried it on a group yet. A bit scared by this, as I feel I will be laughed at by the friends. Hopefully this will change soon!

I think when I start my Version 2 of this I will try to keep it as situational/hello/direct, with maybe 1 or 2 emergency canned openers if I freeze or go blank in a situation (just so I don't wuss out as I have nothing to say). Directions has got to stop!


Number Closes 17%

Flake Rate 5/13 = 38% (doesn't include 'never called')

Non-flakes: 9, 12, 19, 29, 44, 71, 75, 99 8%

9 and 19 speak for themselves (see below)

12 amazingly not a flake, but fucked up on phone game

29 good close, not in country right now. Ongoing, but looking at her FB photos thinking maybe not fit enough.

44 Ongoing, messed up a bit last time I saw her!

71 Thought weak close, but later proved wrong! Logistics/external factors fucked me and now she has left country! Ongoing though I guess.

75 Good close. Have been too busy to meet (unsure if she is fit enough too which is never a good sign!)

99 Ongoing

Never Called: 26, 85, 90 3%

26 and 90 Not fit enough, so decided against it

85 Left the country so never bothered

Flakes: 11, 22, 45, 64, 28 5%


LESSONS LEARNT

Considering that a lot of my interactions are based upon 5 minute interactions, I'm quite pleased with this. There was a time I was very worried about flakes, but I'm viewing this as less of a problem now.

Also, its starting to get confusing, all these different numbers on my phone, I'm even starting to forget who is who and sometimes I will need to go through my messages to jog my memory. The main thing this has taught me is there really are an infinite amount of girls out there (not literally, but it may as well be given the population size) and it doesn't matter if you fuck up a few!

I've found the best way to ask for a number is 'Hey what's the best way to contact you.....'. I can't think of a time this hasn't worked.


Kiss Closes 5%

9, 19, 28, 29, 58

9 and 19 speak for themselves (see below)

28 and 29 were good kiss closes. I was raging! However, 28 flaked in the end and 29 lives in Mexico!

58 was silly really

LESSONS LEARNT:

You can kiss close within minutes when you are on form!

Kino, kino, kino kiss!! (but not Rapey the Clown - make sure you remain socially aware!!)

Awkward silences and eye contact can help (see previous field report 'Snake Eyes in Poland')


Fuck Closes 2%

9, 19

Already knew or had a link, so had major social proof!

Number 9 had viewed my flat and I had 'rejected' her as a flat mate, so she had something to prove.

Number 19 was a friend of a friend of a friend.

Some numbers may turn to fucks, but as of press time they have not!!

LESSONS LEARNT

Slightly disheartened by my fuck rate. At the moment only 1 in 50 girls will sleep with me (ruins my belief that the world wants to fuck me haha). Actually this isn't strctly true, as I have ejected out of situations early because I decide I don't fancy them more times than the other way round so is probably not that bad!

Social proof is king!

Don't ask them to yours just get in a taxi

Girls need an excuse to sleep with you so they don't feel like sluts. Give them that excuse!

LMR - just agree and keep going until they break. Once you have a finger or tongue in - relax they're yours!

Girls like to be clean. Let them shower first haha! (See end bit of last post above this one)


Right that is it for now! I am having a week off to train for my race and then I will be back with a vengence! 5 a day version 2 will be a far slicker and successful operation! I will be ready for it this time. I am going to ensure I get lots of sleep, exercise and eat healthy so I don't run out of steam this time. I will lay off the drugs, cigarettes and alcohol as well.

If anyone is around in London in November, PM me! I will be out EVERY DAY!!

Much love

Snake Eyes

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Default 26-10-2010, 11:28 AM

This is my favourite thread man, fuckin awesome stuff.

I haven’t made any real approaches for few months now, been taking the easy route and seeing girls I know I can have as appose to those that I might find challenging, but after reading these long ass posts of yours, I feel inspired.

Ive read a lot of what I believe to be shit on this forum but for the first time I actually believe everything being reported and its sick mate. Fucking love it.


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This is my favourite thread man, fuckin awesome stuff.

I haven’t made any real approaches for few months now, been taking the easy route and seeing girls I know I can have as appose to those that I might find challenging, but after reading these long ass posts of yours, I feel inspired.

Ive read a lot of what I believe to be shit on this forum but for the first time I actually believe everything being reported and its sick mate. Fucking love it.
Thanks Wake! I appreciate your comments.

Every word is the truth - good or bad and to the last disgusting detail haha!!

Initially I was a little dubious about writing some stuff, but knew that if I didn't document everything I would just tell people the good stuff to massage my own ego - which wouldn't have helped anyone (especially me)!!!
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Default 26-10-2010, 08:33 PM

just out of interest what do u mean by DIRECT??? is that just ... thought u looked nice and wanted to say hello?? or??


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oh and by the way mate... this is without doubt the most helpfull thread on the forum WITHOUT EQUIVOCATION ur a legend an i wanna buy u a bevy


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This is fucking great.

This is one of the best threads on the site in my opinion.

Well done mate, I admire your balls.


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just out of interest what do u mean by DIRECT??? is that just ... thought u looked nice and wanted to say hello?? or??
Usually I just say 'Hey this is going to sound kinda of random, but I thought you looked cute and wanted to say hi'

Have also told girls I like their smile or something they're wearing.

The standard direct opener usually gets a good response and at least a few minutes chat if not a number close.

Still quite new to me and needs work, but definitely think its the way forward (for street game at least).

Funny thing I noticed from 2 girls I used it on. They didn't quite understand (due to language barriers), but they still stopped and chatted to me and I number closed both. Other openers I have had similar language barriers and they just shrug and walk off. I think this is because my body language is a lot more 'stop and chat to my now' when you do direct, plus the energy level is higher and sexier due to the buzz you get from it. They can tell even if they don't understand you properly!
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Default 27-10-2010, 08:45 AM

well im gonna be havin a go of this soon. im pretty fuckin SHIT HOT at escalating kino and conversation, so if u need help there, rapport building u can come meet me some time ill give u the ins & outs of it EASYYYYYYYYYYy. the issue ive always had is i find direct the easiest approach, i just dont like the idea of lettin a girl know i like her that quickly, so i stoped doin it years ago. now im alot more fluent tho maybe i should give it another go


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