You shouldn't be on this forum if those are your life goals and values. That long distance shit doesn't count either. I can say to my friend "Hey we're the Tory party", he can reply "Yeah sure!" but our actions will beg to differ. And our policies.

If you want this girl to be somone you visit while on holiday that seems fair enough but to maintaign an actual relationship over that distance, though not impossible, seems unlikely to work.

I doubt it. It's probably impossible for most if not everybody. That is just 1 of a number of questions I've had since the start that have put doubt into my mind. Basically that's why I asked for advice, I've not by any means set this relationship stuff in stone, I just want to know where I stand on the topic.

I've only seen LTR's have a positive outcome so I have a probable biased view on them but I'd still add that I don't think they are always bad.

I'm 50/50; I can see the plus side and the negative side of it all.
Would it work - I really couldn't give an answer. I simply don't know.


To be fair my past relationships have not exactly been easy sailing. My last relationship ended 2 weeks after I found out she got into using cocaine and a host of other drugs by a friend of her's who I knew from my schooling days (she was a messed up addict) and she cheated with some lad so I told her it's finished. She went to that lad and he organised some kind of hit on me which took place on my 20th birthday.
Prior to that relationship I was in a 2.5 year relationship that ended when she died in a car crash.
And I tend not to count the schooling relationships.

I think you's are right. I want to move away from the UK as soon as I can and maybe I'm partly seeing this as an easier way to do that.

What did you take from that as my life goals and values?

Obviously I don't mean actually off the forum but if you want to have some long-ass distance relationship (England to Canada) then I don't see what 'Pua' development has to offer. I know everyone's allowed their opinion and what they want out of pick-up blah blah blah but all that 'pick-up' can offer you, is how to pull.

I wouldn't take relationship advice from pua because that's like getting advice off a hunter about farming. You're obviously a bright, normal guy so I'm not taking a dig at you about LDRs.

More succinctly; how does a long distance relationship fulfill what you wanted out of this journal/journey/game.

Lovely analogy.

In many reapects, pua hasn't been the whole reason I got into this. I wanted to change as a person, from the core and as a result, become better with women.
Most guys on here know that I want to move away from the UK. When I started my journey I firmly believed that if I got a girlfriend in the UK it'd tie me down to living here, at least until it ended. So thats why I decided to primatliy focus on changing to become who I want to be.

Before I started my journey I felt like I was going to just be the person I was my whole life and that was just it. But in reality I was in a cucoon and as soon as I broke through the shell, I started to become this person who I knew I was capable of being.


This relationship would fulfill my want of a relationship that wouldnt tie me down to the UK and because its long distance, I would still be able to work on my self development. However, I agree that the distance is vast and that if I am to achieve all that I want to achieve, then maybe its not the time for a relationship. That could just be the feelings of confinement that I got from past relationships or a feeling of long distance committment is a bit nuts.

The only way I can see the committment side of it working is if its an open relationship; basically irradication the need for 100% committment. But then I'd say, whats the point of the relationship.

I may have just answered my own question.

I remember some older guys in the place I worked when I was younger left to go abroad. When they came back they seemed to me all windswept and interesting, tanned, cooler and more confident than when they had left.

They would hang around just long enough to regail us with stories of their adventures (such as being in a bomb shelter during scud striked in the first iraq war) then they'd be off again on the next adventure.

This made a big impression on me at the time. The alternative seemed to be the guys who didn't leave, settled down and started a family and planned their life in the usual way. I had no doubt which lifestyle I wanted. And I've never regreted that.

I don't have a family photo album full of memories like they have now. But that's never really what I wanted anyway I reckon.

Going off topic a bit maybe but I think your sense of adventure outwieghs the desire to follow the more conventional path. A lot of people just don't have that desire to move and experience more of what's out there. I'm not knocking that at all.

You just have to do what's right for you. I think that's what you've been working out.

I dated a Canadian. She's now my wife and I live here.

Having a long distance relationship is much the same as any relationship - it has pros and cons based on the 2 people and their relationship dynamics. I liked how easy it was to hang out with my friends, not worry about making time. We used to skype on once or twice a week, email daily. The cons were that you lack the physical contact and to some degree a little emotional support. I found it made our relationship stronger as it wasn't based solely on taking eachothers clothes off.
Plus time differences aren't that much, for most places it's about 4-5hrs so it's like dating a student...

Also Canada has really different ways of life depending on where she lives (much like the UK I guess)

I no longer game or "pick-up chicks" as I'm married but I still hang around on here as it reminds me not to become a hen-pecked husband. It also helps with personal growth and ensuring I'm not coasting.

Honest opinion: commit if the girl is worth committing to, not because you fancy settling down for a bit. It can be hard but it is made easier if you're doing it for somebody who's worth it. (and stay away from Quebec)

I'm still not sure about it. I've put it on the back burner until I go over to North America in the winter-time.

Last 3 weeks have been cool, a stable job and a regular income makes a world of difference. Last weekend sums it up pretty well; helped my manager pull a local footballers wife and I woke up in a bath tub with a stunning blonde asleep ontop of me.