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07-07-2014, 08:27 PM
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Above 50% = if she sees you as at least a 5 out of 10 - some amazing advice that I picked up from Doc Love and a rule I've been living by for years, always had success with this. I'm not claiming to be the best. I think you're confusing INTEREST with BETA behaviour. I'm not encouraging anybody to be a prick, just to not be overly needy to a girl who blew you out. Maybe you've got a better strategy, but this one works for me and the people I coach. Again, not claiming to be the best. Thanks for the feedback either way.
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See's you as at least 5 out of 10 what? How would you know how a girl see's you, especially when your talking in the context of a flakey girl. Surely this is the most uncertain of scenarios you could find yourself in, you have no idea on what scale out of 10 a girl finds you, it is completely unascertainable by it's very nature. To think otherwise is fucking clown shoes.
Surely you understand that attractiveness is something which is constantly in flux. If a girl is being flakey with you then the medium is the message, there is no 3 step program for flipping the switch. And even if there was why would you care? Congruency in behaviour is the only true test of attractiveness in my opinion and if you find yourself in a situation with a flakey girl then guess what...you failed, improve and move on.
Explain to me how you feel I'm confusing interest with beta because I don't feel confused at all. Your an advocate of beta behaviour, you just justify it to yourself by calling it things like 'flipping the switch'.
It's worrying to read your coaching guys. Having spent some more time on your website I don't feel you put out good advice for men with dating problems. I suppose the only saving grace is that you did say your coaching for free.
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07-07-2014, 08:37 PM
(I'll re-write this, two birds one stone...)
J-daniels & Hellcat you both seem to be putting on a performance.
Cut the shit and be authentic, develop some self awareness dude(s).
Realise deeply the present moment is all you ever have. Make the Now the primary focus of your life. Eckhart Tolle
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07-07-2014, 09:29 PM
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See's you as at least 5 out of 10 what? How would you know how a girl see's you, especially when your talking in the context of a flakey girl. Surely this is the most uncertain of scenarios you could find yourself in, you have no idea on what scale out of 10 a girl finds you, it is completely unascertainable by it's very nature. To think otherwise is fucking clown shoes.
Surely you understand that attractiveness is something which is constantly in flux. If a girl is being flakey with you then the medium is the message, there is no 3 step program for flipping the switch. And even if there was why would you care? Congruency in behaviour is the only true test of attractiveness in my opinion and if you find yourself in a situation with a flakey girl then guess what...you failed, improve and move on.
Explain to me how you feel I'm confusing interest with beta because I don't feel confused at all. Your an advocate of beta behaviour, you just justify it to yourself by calling it things like 'flipping the switch'.
It's worrying to read your coaching guys. Having spent some more time on your website I don't feel you put out good advice for men with dating problems. I suppose the only saving grace is that you did say your coaching for free.
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You seem to be missing the point. Judging her interest level would be something for a whole new article. I'm not denying that it fluctuates, but it will generally be around a certain point.. for example if you'd guess that she sees you as a 6/10, she'll still do things that she'd do at a 5, or a 7. If she sees you as a 4, that is when she'll have lost interest, but still pay you the odd compliment and do that stupid false hope crap, maybe enjoy your attention.. then you're wasting your time. I'm not talking about exact measurements, just a rough guideline to help guys measure how badly they turned a woman off. An easier way to explain things. I'm not here thinking I'm Adam Lyons, at all. If anything I'm here for advice, feedback on how to improve. You're giving long replies that show that you DO know what you're talking about, but you're too stuck in your ways to consider things from another point of view. I'm pretty much the opposite to most guys in the pick-up community (I'm brilliant at KEEPING a girl, I'm brilliant at understanding women, the relationship stage is easy for me... but I'm "pretty good" when it comes to "game" and whatever.. most PUA guys are the opposite - they can seduce any woman on the planet and bore her to tears in 4 months time by being too scared to ever initiate contact or anything, even when shes earning it.) So I'm looking for advice on the pick-up side of things. I'm not doubting that you'd be able to teach me a thing or 2 there, but it doesn't do a lot when you're just talking down methods that WORK, without giving any "try this instead..." or "this part sounds a little beta, how about saying this instead..."
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07-07-2014, 09:31 PM
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(I'll re-write this, two birds one stone...)
J-daniels & Hellcat you both seem to be putting on a performance.
Cut the shit and be authentic, develop some self awareness dude(s).
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Although I don't agree with what this guy said, at least he actually said something constructive..
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07-07-2014, 10:09 PM
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You seem to be missing the point.
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Explain to me how I am missing the point and what is the point that you feel I have missed?
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Judging her interest level would be something for a whole new article. I'm not denying that it fluctuates, but it will generally be around a certain point.. for example if you'd guess that she sees you as a 6/10, she'll still do things that she'd do at a 5, or a 7. If she sees you as a 4, that is when she'll have lost interest, but still pay you the odd compliment and do that stupid false hope crap, maybe enjoy your attention.. then you're wasting your time. I'm not talking about exact measurements, just a rough guideline to help guys measure how badly they turned a woman off. An easier way to explain things.
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This makes no fucking sense. Your so invested in this weird scale it is you that misses the point entirely. Attraction isn't something that needs to be measured and gauged against on a fucking scale, you either feel it or you don't.
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I'm not here thinking I'm Adam Lyons, at all. If anything I'm here for advice, feedback on how to improve.
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If that's who you aspire to be like then you are very lost. Adam Lyons is a terrible example of someone who is 'good' with women.
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You're giving long replies that show that you DO know what you're talking about, but you're too stuck in your ways to consider things from another point of view.
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No, I'm coming from a place of having been on both sides of the fence. There is no happiness, satisfaction or success to be had on the side your currently on.
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I'm pretty much the opposite to most guys in the pick-up community (I'm brilliant at KEEPING a girl, I'm brilliant at understanding women, the relationship stage is easy for me... but I'm "pretty good" when it comes to "game" and whatever..
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Having read your website I'm inclined to not believe you.
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most PUA guys are the opposite - they can seduce any woman on the planet and bore her to tears in 4 months
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Most PUA guys are terrible with women.
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So I'm looking for advice on the pick-up side of things. I'm not doubting that you'd be able to teach me a thing or 2 there, but it doesn't do a lot when you're just talking down methods that WORK, without giving any "try this instead..." or "this part sounds a little beta, how about saying this instead..."
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I don't think you are. I think your here to have your ego wanked and told that you're awesome. I think your here to promote your website and groom people for your 'coaching'. You've been given constructive feedback, you've received good advice from members but are still blind and ignore it.
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07-07-2014, 10:24 PM
I haven't ignored any of the good advice (though there hasn't been a lot of it)
It's nothing to do with my ego. Why in God's name would I come to a website, where most people are good with women.. to show off about being good with women? There's probably hundreds of people on this site who are better than I am. I said Adam Lyons because everybody has heard of him, and I happen to think his advice is fairly good... it was either him, Mehow or Mystery, and the last 2 are slimey freaks who pretty much rape-approach on camera... nothing to be with me aspiring to be like anybody.
I don't care if you "believe me" or not.
"You either feel it or you don't" that is true, you either feel attraction or you don't... but we're talking about HOW MUCH attraction you feel... you're attracted to a 9, but you're also attracted to a 7. If the 9 is the neediest bitch on the planet and a control freak, but the 7 is cool... they soon swap places. Not that I think you will, or probably need to (if you're THAT egotistical and stubborn, then you're probably already quite good with women) but you could basically learn the theory about the interest level from Doc Love.
Again, my main reason for being here, is feedback (not just "this is shit" but more of "this is shit, you could improve it by doing this...." kind of thing)
Why would I "groom" anybody for coaching, I coach for free, as a hobby.
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07-07-2014, 10:29 PM
J Daniels, absolute legend
Watch This,
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07-07-2014, 10:39 PM
Here's some good advice:
1. Stop thinking of attraction in terms of numerical values. Phenomenon is right; either your attracted or you are not. Either she is attracted or she isn't.
2. Stop rating women in terms of attractiveness numerixally. Either you think she is attractive or you don't. There is no 4's, 7's or 10's - this is a terrible way to think and will do you more harm than good.
Mark is also right, just be natural and honest and forget about all this over the top analysis into things. Interactions with woman are meant to be a normalsocial process, not a science paper.
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07-07-2014, 10:41 PM
So you're basically saying that it's impossible to be more attracted to one person than another? That's insane. I'm not saying numbers are the best way to handle it, but it's the shortest way to explain it.
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07-07-2014, 10:47 PM
^ genius
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