the two guys who turned me onto the pickup scene (aka told me to the The Game, lol) were based in different cultures. One was american, but lived in the UK for 6+ years, and the other was french. It was actually quite funny to hear them banter back and forth about which cultures were the easiest or difficult. The british/american kept flipping back and forth, saying there were pros and cons to his two that he frequented, while the french guy swore up and down that french girls do the approaching, and it was impossible for him to get french girls... but he could get british girls and american girls if he actually tried. Me, I was a big fucking chump then, so I didn't have much to add.

I think it is based in the novelty of a foreigner and foreign culture... hence why I'm trying to learn a bit of different stuff from you UK guys instead of being like every other american PUA

@lucidfer

Very true, having an attractive accent or coming from a "fashionable" culture is always a DHV, although it's value is higher for some women than others. It certainly does not guarantee a lay.

However, some nationalities/ cultures/ ethinicities are actually a DLV, as are some accents (whether the Politically correct watchdog likes it or not). A guy who speaks English with a Chinese or Indian accent would amost certainly struggle to pull an HB in either the UK or US. However, having a UK accent in the US or vice versa (perhaps to a slightly lesser extent in the latter case) can certainly work in one's favour.

Back when I was living in the UK, I could enver understand the fascination with "Italian guys". I always (this was pre-PUA discovery AFC times) imagined that all the guys there must be incredibly attractive and romantic and all the rest of it. I've lived in Italy for four years now. Are they all amazingly attractive? NO! Although there are some very attractive men here, there is not a higher percentage of good looking men here at all. N fact I would also say that there probably is a higher percentage of Ugly men here than the UK. Are they Romantic? Yes... and guess what? the girls hate it! why? because it's AFC, it's lame and it's weak. It seems the cultural norm to invite a girl to dinner for a first date here. Having a strong frame here, not seeking approval and all of the fundamental thinking of pickup will take you further here than in the anglo-saxon countries. So why do girls from northern europe and USA find Italian males attractive? it's fashionable and cosmopolitan magazine says it's the thing to be. They have the preselection DHV gift wrapped and offered on a golden tray. But look again... I repeat, the guys here are no more attractive than any other countries physically, but their DHV spike means that the girls looks at him through DHV speckled glasses even before speaking to him. Then consider a handsome Turkish man, who is ethnically similar to an Italian. He might well be better looking than the Italian, but Turkish males are stererotyped as being backwardly muslim, lame lovers and sexist. Is it true? in modern Turkey? I don't fucking think so usually.

fuck it I'm going to start a new post on this subject

I happen to look really pan-racial. Girls assume I'm all sorts of different things: Italian, Spain, Turkey, Greek. Most of the time any time a ( white english/US) girl says that she thinks I'm ethnically from any of the above places it tends to be a major DHV/IOI.

For many women looking like you are from those 'fashionable' countries is a major feather in your cap in my experience. But it can be a negative too. It's something to do with White/Brit women's presumptions about a more confident direct and sexually assertive form of masculity that many of them assocaiate with those particular cultures. The stereotype is that med men are not afraid of being masculine or of being more direct or honest about our intentions towards women. The idea that they aren't constantly apologising for their existance the way many nice white (UK/US) men raised by hippy liberal mothers and on a lot of BS fed to them by the PC media tend to carry on..

Most (UK/US) Girls are smart enough to know that the 'nice' castrated english guy who keeps apologising for stepping on her toes (when he hasn't) and keeps buying expensive drinks for her, wants to stick his dick in her JUST as much as the cock sure olive skinned Matador who's been throwing her around the dancefloor and is now trying to get HER to buy HIM a drink...but the second option is just much more thrilling and seductive to most white/UK/US women than the other.

Sometimes some English girls do regard the assertive and direct masculity that they associate with Italian/med cultures negatively too btw. But in my experience such girls tend to be clingy prudish Little Englander types, that are waiting to get fertilized by some 'suitable' Ben Foggel type prat (and usually aren't really worth the effort required to overcome the prejudices/hang ups they might have about men that look/act a little more 'hot blooded'/forward.

The only time I've ever been told by a girl that I look Italian (and it's been a DLV), it was from a girl that was an Italian herself and we had a pretty long chin wag about Berlusconi and her loathing of him and of Italian Machismo culture in general and her preferance for nerdy british blokes...

Perceptions about race/ethnicity/culture do matter and do make a difference. I've experienced it first hand and it's cut both ways. Socially I do feel that understanding 'types' that your look might afford you the opportunity to project/tap into can improve your success rate considerably.

Nice post!

I think that (despite my last post), that is probably part of the reason I get a lot of girls here in the med. I am blond boy with a more mediterranean personality, which means that Spanish girls are usually all over me, and to slightly lesser extent italian also.

Interesting point of view, keep it up

Another thought, that Italian HB was probably just disqualifying you. She would probably tell a UK guy she prefers the guys back home. It's a shit test bro. Women will always do that to fuck with you. You should've disqualified her first

Sounds like a blast. The Spanish are fun...

You know I thought that at first...especially as she didn't blow me out totally or anything. It was more like a 'yeh you look so Italian...I don't like Italian guys.' but the more we chatted after the more I realised she wasn't kidding and REALLY REALLY hated Italian men...I guess the grass is always greener right?

Back to British vs American girls...

One thing I'm gonna put out there is this:

Hotter American girls are more self aware socially intelligent and switched on to subtext suggestion/seduction than less hot american girls (atleast in my experience).

I think it's because generally (most) American men are really OBVIOUS...it's as true of their comedy/films/tv as it is of their culture and society in general IMO.

If I'm hitting on an average Brit girl and I'm taking the piss she's MORE likely get that it's playful and READ BETWEEN THE LINES and respond to being challenged and teased than an average american girl...that might take all my banter at face value.

Meanwhile because americans tend to be so damn Spartan in their social outlooks in general...stunning American chicks (those at the higher end of the social pole) seem to have more of a social overview even than their brit counterparts (again imo). They will be more likely to 'get it' and hit the ball back if you try and play...because as Brits our cheek, wit,cynism and generally 'not giving as much of a fuckness' are all qualites that many american women (especially hotter ones) wish more men in their own culture had...imo/experience atleast. More attractive American girls are GAGGING for a bloke that can actually CHALLENGE them and play ball and give them some hoops to jump through, and that's because American men (in general) can't/don't. 99% of the American men she's met/known have let their jaws hit the floor at the sight of her and the 8 that didn't will be the only 8 she's fucked...

I personally adore Spanish girls and women. I know a lot of men who don't however, so it's all a question of preference. My buddy is obsessed with Asian women. I'm not that fussed to be honest