Gentlemen,

I recently responded to a post from an American rAFC/jPUA in the UK in another forum, speaking of some frustrations that he has encountered with British HBs, whilst sarging in London. I felt is necessary to write a post on this issue for several reasons:

*I have studied sociology and psychology. Whilst I'm certainly not a guru PUA (far from it), I feel that this is an area I am well trained in.

*I am British and my ex-girlfriend, and several successful Fcloses were American (both in the US and outside).

*I have travelled extensively and lived and/or worked in 8 countries.

* Whilst the science behind PU remains the same in practically all cultures, it is well to note that the majority of pick up material originates in the US, and therefore has a US cultural bias. Again, I echo that this does not alter the aim of the game, but naturally it does mean that some of the rules are different, like the differences between American pool and it's UK counterpart.

Anyway, the following may prove useful for some:

*COMFORT ZONE:

This is relevant even in male to male interactions. British males do not touch each other physically as much as American or continental European males. Upon greeting each other, American guys will slap hands and sometimes briefly hug, French and Italian males exchange kisses (which admittedly takes some getting used to), Spanish males hug and squeeze each other for several seconds and then put their arms around each other. British males usually just nod and say "alright".... even during the social interaction itself, Americans will smack each other on the back, put their heads in close to each other (NOTE: NEVER lean in when talking to an HB, whatever nationality you are), Italian and Spanish males hug quite often. On the other hand, British males expect and give plenty of personal space to other males. They are more reserved with their emotions and usually only display affection if they have not seen the other for an extended period of time. This must be considered when the target is a British female. So, the first difference would be to give them a bit more space, particularly in the approach and open... and whilst a PUA must NEVER delay going "kino" for longer than is necessary, I would suggest that this aspect of the pick up must be executed with a little more care. So, take you time, but (pardon me please) don't be a pussy.

*FAMILIARITY WITH STRANGERS:

I was sat on a plane between Auckland, New Zealand and Los Angeles, CA USA about 5 years ago. I was sat by the window, and to my right was an Australian male, a US male and British (Welsh) male. The second the plane left the ground, the American male offered his hand to all of us, introducing himself by his first name and surname. The Australian commented satirically that "I suppose we're all stuck together, I'm Dave" and politely offered his hand to all of us also (I doubt he'd have done that had it not been for George doing the same)... I decided to pretend to listen to music and study them. The British male was, predictably quite reserved and some might say, with good reason. He does not know these people, he probably will not meet them again on completion of the journey. He was polite and responded to the bombardment of questions from the American male and Australian male, but did not ask any.

Anyway, this likewise must be considered. Americans are open and charming. The British frankly, are not. This also means that British females are less used to being opened by complete strangers, except by males who obviously want to sleep with them. IN the US, an HB may be opened quite innocently by an elderly gentleman in the supermarket who wants an opinion on a gift for his grandaughter. In the UK, this is indeed a rare thing. They don't feel comfortable talking to people where no previous rapport has been established.

For this reason, British HBs (especially 8s 9s and 10s) are usually ONLY opened by AFC males who OBVIOUSLY want to sleep with them. Therefore I would speculate that in many circumstances their bitch shield is significantly more difficult to crack and they are potentially ruder, more conceited and more aggressive.

However, I must also add that once you're past A3 (quote mystery method), they are usually less work than many other nationalities and LMR is in my experience somewhat less in the UK than one should anticipate in the US. In the States it pretty much comes as standard. The general opinion in NEGS is much disputed in the community at the moment (many are turning away from the idea), but Mystery suggests negging HB9s and HB10s on cold approaches (don't forget a false time constraint and false disqualification also). I would dare speculate that it could be useful to NEG 8s and perhaps even on some occasions 7s in the UK. When I was living in Bournemouth I found that even "better than average" looking girls could be quite snotty on the apporach (although this was pre PU discovery and frankly, I didn't have a fucking clue what I was doing).

I'm currently living and working in Italy and I sometimes work in Spain. The cultural aspect of pick up is one of the most fascinating parts to me, and I'm learning a lot about Spanish girls at the moment. I'm currently dating a Ukrainian HB8 and a russian HB9 ironically enough, but when I find the time I'll make a post on other European HB nationalities and some of the small adjustments that one may need to make. HOWEVER, MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN ANYTHING ELSE, REMEMBER THAT THE METHOD REMAINS THE SAME IN ALL CIRCUMSTANCES. Cultural sensitivity is not an excuse for deviating away from the method.

I would welcome any feedback. If you feel I've missed anything, or simply want to comment, I'd love to hear from you.

TRAPTinRome

Being someone who's spent time in both countries, amongst "pickup" folk I'll weigh in here.

I disagree entirely. The culture differences are stereotypical and irrelevant, in fact everything you have said that is not in the nature of British men is in the nature of many British men. The funny thing is that I've seen almost this same discussion occur in numerous formats, proposed in opposing views, from both British and Americans about the opposite cultures.

That's a bit messy so I'll put it in perspective, Americans think American women are more difficult to approach than British women and take much more care because they'll snap at you or be bitchy. They believe that British people are friendlier in nature and I've seen people shocked at a guy talking to them, on the train! Shocker!.. Happens all the time. As does conversation between customers in shops, regularly.

Then British people say the same thing, but the other way around...

I'm sure there's a social or psychological phenomenon to explain this. but I'm not aware of it, perhaps someone might point me in the direction of some interesting reading though.

As for what you've said about comfort zone and taking it slightly slower... You haven't spent much time here have you? The general philosophy of the more active in this community is that if you haven't made you intentions ridiculously obvious within the first 3 minutes you're doing it wrong. I generally agree with them, at least when it comes to cold approach... That bird you're into that you've known for 2 years and work with. Suddenly coming out with having feelings or wanting to sex her up isn't going to cut it and is usually going to be a little creepy though and a gentler angle is usually preferable.

American girls will drop to the their knees and suck your cock if you put on a Hugh Grant accent, british girls won't.

Jay I think you are bob-on the money - you could quite easily put it down to being attracted to the Exotic, something that isn't the norm.

Trying to pick-up HBs we are obviously trying to stand-out from being social sheep in a positive way by offering fun and excitement.

If you are foreign, you are already different and exciting - you probably know another language, have your own racial look about you - there are tons of studies, particularly in China regarding why average foreign people are more attractive than avergae domestic people, and you can talk about your own culture which even between US and UK has some big differences.

I find it easier to pick-up foreign girls, as Knave said I've got a typical British accent, I'm average looking a toned and can hold good a conversation.

I just like fucking somthing different

I had a couch surfer from germany stay at mine for a few days-- i enjoyed talking mainly german to her and learning about a different culture
(didnt nail her btw not my type)

was it the hairy armpits or moustache that stopped you?

Great post, I totally agree

I am so interested in cultural differences in personality and its good to see your post giving out some great ideas

Why do you agree? Why do you disagree with everyone else? Reasoning?

There is a thanks button for posts like this, if you disagree then start a debate and explore whether you're correct or influence others towards a new belief. Dont just blindly disagree with consensus with a useless post. You have the opportunity to learn why you're wrong or teach others why they are by actually participating.

she did have hairy armpits! fucking wrong!
the other one was on the first night i said ' use my shower if you want' she didnt sue it, she had not washed in about 2 days...

you should delouse them like in prison.