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Default 20-06-2011, 01:13 AM

Thank you all for your feedback, both positive and negative.

I think the comments from knave and daleinthedark are worth noting also. Although this post was inspired, ironically enough by an American in London; I do agree that people are often curious and often attracted to what is different (or perhaps rare). I often hear stories from my male students here in Italy about their luck with the ladies in the United Kingdom, and subsequently I do enjoy a similar predicament here also. I have blond hair and blue eyes (and I tan fairly well usually), which is a rarity in Southern Italy and I must admit I very much enjoy the attention of the brown eyed beauties I encounter, both in and out of work.

I am purely speculating here, but perhaps it is also for this reason that my American buddy over on the other forum isn't doing as well as he had hoped in London, because an American accent is not such a rarity in major cities as it is in the smaller cities of the UK. If he were to go sarging in, say Bristol or Brighton for example, I'd be willing to bet money he'd have a girl on each arm after a few nights out.

To further validate my point, I had another thought today. I have another non PUA friend (British) who spent some time in Florida and he said that he was smothered by girls in the Northern part of Florida, but he was suprised at how unreceptive the girls were in Orlando were. This may sound strange, but if one considers that a large number of British tourists and second home owners are in the "Disneyland" area of Florida at any given moment, the local girls have probably become desensitised to the British accent, therefore meaning that it is no longer "exotic". In the other cities of Florida, such as Jacksonville and Tallahassee, a Britsh male is undoubtedly, still quite a catch, which brings me to my next point (RLAjay I hope you're listening):

When an American male is speaking to British female, the American accent functions as a DHV of sorts (rarity/ exclusivity) and the contrary is also true (in the female's home country).

So when RLAjay (correctly) pointed out that American and British males often have similar views of both each other and of the females of the contrary nationality; this assumption is based on the very fact that we are curious about each other. I must say I agree entirely up to that point. I am also not sure if there is a psychological phenomenon based exclusively on this, however should I find anything relevant to that debate, I will gladly point you in the right direction.

However, if one compares an American female interacting with a US male, with a British female interacting with a UK male; we have a totally different situation which is were I feel RLAjay missed the point. A UK male/US female scenario is COMPLETELY ANOTHER THING (and not a fair test). In my post, I was referring to a UK female interacting with a UK male. Again, I repeat:

If you are in a supermarket in the US, you will find that it is commonplace that people will ask for your opinion on what to buy (and remember at this point they DO NOT KNOW you are British, the "Oh....cool accent dude" part comes later).

How many times does this happen in, Sainsbury's for example? Not very often. (I'm talking about customer-customer interactions here, not referring to employees who are paid to open sets for various reasons). Americans are quite at ease talking with complete strangers, whereas in the UK this is less common (not non-existant, but much less common).

Futhermore, my thoughts on British males interacting with each other is, in my opinion extremely relevant. British males hardly every touch each other, whereas in the United States a customary high five is utilised on both arriving and departing from a social situation.

As for personal space, this is in fact something I studied in psychology. Again, it has been a while, but I will endeavour to find some material on the internet should you require further reading (for anyone).

The British, due to the fact that they are less touchy-feely, do require more personal space and invading that personal space prior to comfort being established can ruin an otherwise well orchestrated set. Naturally this is true in all cultures, but the British on average require a little more personal space (I have to be honest and say I don't how remember exactly, but I think it's around 10square centimetres more compared with Americans. This was researched in urban areas, obviously country-folk in both countries would certainly require even more still). Naturally I would suggest if you are American to bear this in mind. For a British male, who requires a similar amount of space himself, this would most likely be instinctive. Even so however, it's good to know, don't you think?

Finally, with regards RLAjays comments about comfort zone and "not being around here very long", which I feel was more malicious than objective:

For reference I have been aware of the community since the summer of 2009 and I finished reading The Game and the Mystery Method in about november of the same year. I've also read numerous posts from Tyler DurdeN, Mystery, Style, RossJeffries and even extremists like Gunwitch, along with Double your Dating (DeAngelo) since that time. I am not so well infomred on La Ruina and I am fully aware that he is often the favourite among UK based PUAs, I may get his book next time I'm in the UK. I know he is anti-canned material and one PUA metaphorically referred to his style as like jeet-kun-do in relation to Kung Fu I have been actively sarging for well over a year, in three countries and three languages. I'm not an expert yet and I certainly do not always "get the girl", but I am trying to learn something from every interaction and I feel I am making progress. I am fully aware that you should make your intentions known by the time you're into A3 (mystery method) and this should take about 5ish minutes (RLAjay said three, I find I usually take 5-6 but I am still working on my game). I believe RLAjay absolutely misinterpreted that in every possible way (perhaps deliberately?)

All I wanted to say was, you can get away with kino a little faster with US females, because they are more used to being patted on the back or playfully punched on the arm. I'm not referring to drunken UGs sticking theire arse in your face on the dance floor, that is completely another thing. Alcohol is another variable that disqualifies a fair test. A sober British HB must be approached confidently also, but I believe that going kino must be done with care.

I also don't understand why it is necessary to respond in such an arrogant and rude way to people who are relatively new to PU forums like gibsy92... or perhaps even myself (I am new to this forum but I've been registered on other well known forums for over a year)... We have common objective, do we not?

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Default 20-06-2011, 02:14 PM

Or we could stop over analysing this and giving our selves limiting beliefs that we can't pull unless we go abroad :lol:

Yes there are massive cultural differences and end of the day it comes down to the same thing, its how you stand out from the crowd and shine as a unique guy.
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Default 21-06-2011, 02:12 AM

we are all guilty of stereotyping but tony, for the most part I agree with you. Just out of interest do you have a favourite nationality re the girls? (that question is open to anyone)?
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Default 21-06-2011, 06:49 AM

Spanish or Italian! Usually bi-lingual, mediterranean skinned lovelies and I used to have a lot more luck that with English girls, now I see them more as a treat


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Default 21-06-2011, 08:09 AM

we all just like fucking somthing different, hell if it came from a different planet id be interested in it.


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Default 21-06-2011, 01:43 PM

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Pussy is pussy however it is packaged...
...regardless of which country it comes from or social level.


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Default 25-07-2011, 08:19 PM

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Being someone who's spent time in both countries, amongst "pickup" folk I'll weigh in here.

I disagree entirely. The culture differences are stereotypical and irrelevant, in fact everything you have said that is not in the nature of British men is in the nature of many British men. The funny thing is that I've seen almost this same discussion occur in numerous formats, proposed in opposing views, from both British and Americans about the opposite cultures.

That's a bit messy so I'll put it in perspective, Americans think American women are more difficult to approach than British women and take much more care because they'll snap at you or be bitchy. They believe that British people are friendlier in nature and I've seen people shocked at a guy talking to them, on the train! Shocker!.. Happens all the time. As does conversation between customers in shops, regularly.

Then British people say the same thing, but the other way around...

I'm sure there's a social or psychological phenomenon to explain this. but I'm not aware of it, perhaps someone might point me in the direction of some interesting reading though.

As for what you've said about comfort zone and taking it slightly slower... You haven't spent much time here have you? The general philosophy of the more active in this community is that if you haven't made you intentions ridiculously obvious within the first 3 minutes you're doing it wrong. I generally agree with them, at least when it comes to cold approach... That bird you're into that you've known for 2 years and work with. Suddenly coming out with having feelings or wanting to sex her up isn't going to cut it and is usually going to be a little creepy though and a gentler angle is usually preferable.
I will say this, very often the US openers / game takes on a slightly nerdy/cheesy format like palm reading. This is just ultra gay to use in the UK.
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Default 25-07-2011, 11:35 PM

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If you are foreign, you are already different and exciting - you probably know another language, have your own racial look about you
Damn I can't help myself when I hear a girl with an accent

It was Tom who said, if a girl's a HB7 in looks, it automatically goes up to a HB8 if she's got an accent.


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Default 26-07-2011, 03:13 PM

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I will say this, very often the US openers / game takes on a slightly nerdy/cheesy format like palm reading. This is just ultra gay to use in the UK.
in fact the whole comfort thing needs to be done a little differently in the UK.
Plenty of people say the cube works but if you start coming out with stuff like that or the ring routine or whatever, most girls will just laugh at you in the UK. You can build comfort by playing games instead.
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Default 29-09-2011, 02:44 AM

Very true. Furthermore, the US females are much less familiar with ironic and/ or dry humour. They are much more familiar with the token US slapstick style of humour.

You may have heard a few US females say "I thought British guys were cute but actually a lot of them are sarcastic pricks". This is why.
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