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Default Moral Issues - 16-05-2011, 08:20 PM

Hey guys,

I've been feeling recently a lot of doubt, well not doubt.....I'm just finding myself in situations that make me question whether i am a good person or not. This is down to game. I've had depression in the past, I do not tell many people about this, but i feel like now i can and it will help. Sarging has helped me get past a lot of the depression i had until now. Game has helped me gane in confidence soo much and i feel like i've grown as a person soo much as well, I cannot fault it for this. But now i am finding myself in situations where i am letting people down. This really hit me today!
As some of you might know i am out on a date with a girl that on here i call Jess (not her real name) And yes i do have feelings for her, and yes its mutual but at the same time i have been seeing another girl (for the past week) who has or i should more appropriately say HAD a boyfriend. And now, i have to chose, I like both of them, this is not what i wanted......i didn't want to let girls down! The other girl-who for now i will call megan-feels like she's been rejected, she feels let down by another guy. This is not how i expecting things to be.

Do any of you find yourselves in these moral dilema's?


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Default 16-05-2011, 08:56 PM

Had a pretty heavy "you're just not that into me" chat from a girl last night. I really think that so long as you are completely honest with them then they just have to make their own decisions based on the options available. They might not like it but that's not your fault. MUCH better to be upfront early so everyone knows where they stand.
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Default 16-05-2011, 08:58 PM

Its not your job to make every female in the world feel happy and secure. It ain't guna happen. You're guna piss people off at some point. You can't avoid it.

You should just be honest with yourself, and honest with the girls. Do you even WANT a relationship, or do you wana play the field? If the latter, then tell them from the beginning that you don't want anything serious.

Edit: Men don't always like it when women reject us, yet women continue to do so without giving a shit? Do you see them feeling guilty about falling for two guys?
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Default 16-05-2011, 09:06 PM

Like example said, you have to be straight up with all parties. The earlier you do this the less feelings are hurt on both sides.

If it's casual let them know "I'm not looking for anything serious" or if it's just 1 night say outright "I'd love to give you my number but i think that would be a mistake" be honest and firm in a diplomatic way!

The moment it feel like they are attaching or detaching themselves just ask a straight question "where are we at?". Recently I've done this and it felt awkward to begin with but i realised it was only me making it awkward, once the girl sees that I am at ease with the question and any answer that may ensue she will feel comfortable telling me "I have feelings for you" or "I think we are a bad idea" at what point I just smile and tell them no worries.


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Default 17-05-2011, 02:20 AM

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Hey guys,

I've been feeling recently a lot of doubt, well not doubt.....I'm just finding myself in situations that make me question whether i am a good person or not. This is down to game. I've had depression in the past, I do not tell many people about this, but i feel like now i can and it will help. Sarging has helped me get past a lot of the depression i had until now. Game has helped me gane in confidence soo much and i feel like i've grown as a person soo much as well, I cannot fault it for this. But now i am finding myself in situations where i am letting people down. This really hit me today!
As some of you might know i am out on a date with a girl that on here i call Jess (not her real name) And yes i do have feelings for her, and yes its mutual but at the same time i have been seeing another girl (for the past week) who has or i should more appropriately say HAD a boyfriend. And now, i have to chose, I like both of them, this is not what i wanted......i didn't want to let girls down! The other girl-who for now i will call megan-feels like she's been rejected, she feels let down by another guy. This is not how i expecting things to be.

Do any of you find yourselves in these moral dilema's?
Bags, if I'm reading this correctly, you caused someone to leave their relationship. You damn well should feel bad.

Do not fuck with other people's relationships, ever. You shouldn't do it because it's wrong but if you want the utilitarian argument then expect her to do the same thing to you that she did to him when someone else comes sniffing the same way you did.

Ethics, morals and a passion for them make you a better man. Utilitarian argument? They get more, provided they're not also doormats.
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Default 17-05-2011, 06:38 AM

I think as long as you don't say that you love them when you don't it's cool.

problem is men feel guilty before they've even done anything wrong thanks to the feminazi movement.


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Default 17-05-2011, 06:43 AM

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Bags, if I'm reading this correctly, you caused someone to leave their relationship. You damn well should feel bad.

Do not fuck with other people's relationships, ever. You shouldn't do it because it's wrong but if you want the utilitarian argument then expect her to do the same thing to you that she did to him when someone else comes sniffing the same way you did.

Ethics, morals and a passion for them make you a better man. Utilitarian argument? They get more, provided they're not also doormats.
I know you like the don't fuck up relationship stance but here's a dilemma for you.

you meet a girl you fuck she says she has a boyfriend you have two choices.

A: you say you're not cool with it so she leaves her boyfriend
B: you continue cheating
C: you ignore her completely which isn't fair on her since she hasn't done anything wrong to you.

all possible choices lead to misery. this has actually reminded me of buddhism.


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Default 17-05-2011, 07:49 AM

my 'skewed' view on this is based on my own ruleset so may not be 'moral' per sa

If chatting to a girl and she makes it known she has a boyfriend to me, i wont chase her BUT if she then chases me i will fuck her. my flaky reasoning is that SHE has chosen to persue me and if it wasnt me she was fucking it would be somone else.
I draw the line at playing somone with a partner and using my 'charms' *cough* to get in her head and have her see me as new boyfriend material.

If i am with somone full stop who i can see is showing genuine feelings for me and i dont feel the same way and see an end point to whats happening--then i`ll have an honest chat with her about whats going to happen and or i`ll walk away - i dont like purposely hurting somones feelings.


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Default 17-05-2011, 08:20 AM

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Its not your job to make every female in the world feel happy and secure. It ain't guna happen. You're guna piss people off at some point. You can't avoid it.

You should just be honest with yourself, and honest with the girls. Do you even WANT a relationship, or do you wana play the field? If the latter, then tell them from the beginning that you don't want anything serious.

Edit: Men don't always like it when women reject us, yet women continue to do so without giving a shit? Do you see them feeling guilty about falling for two guys?
Very true. Not only don't they feel guilty they will actually play victim and get a shit load of sympathy from all their mates (except the fat one with no boyfriend who secretly hates them anyway).
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Default 17-05-2011, 08:39 AM

Cheers guys, I just wanna let people know that yeh I knew she had a bf, but when I firsts started gaming her it was only a sort of practice :-/ I was unsure of game then, so didn't think it would have this impact. I never asked for her, nor intended for her and her bf to split. Her best friend has said that they where drifting apart before this all kicked off, and I'm starting to think she's saying that she split with her bf for me as a way of making me feel guilty.......it fucking worked! I never wanted to fuck with people's relationships, but yeh as Refl3x said I'm starting to think if not me it would be someone else!

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