I agree with most of that. As it happens I've had some good success on internet dating lately, although it depends what you mean by success. It's not like I'm marrying these girls. It is unhealthy in many ways though, I agree, maybe it's some insecurity on my part but I'm having fun for now. What I don't agree on is that in wanting sex on the first night it makes her in any way culpable for being raped, the guy is a coward and deserves his face to be caved in. The shit our gender has put women through at times, makes it hardly surprising some of the dynamics we have to learn to negotiate as PUA's.

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From a dating site 'expert' you are 100% correct with this, i could write a huge post on why Dating sites are totally wrong for somone looking for a LTR
not to say that you cannot find somone for an LTR on them.

but if you want to be a massive whore then dating sites can get your dick ridden like the worlds ending, but youve got to have good pics and seriously demonstrate value as people take you at face value instantly.

to get more pussy

Im no expert but i get alot of messagers back through nagging it works a treat even if they send you a shitty message back it something to work with.

Hope this helps

And how many of the girls you have specifically nagged have you fucked?

Maybe he meant negging but types in an accent

It all hinges on looks on dating sites. You still can get shitloads of messages with crappy pics if you send out funny or sarcastic messages, that might sound great but you will likely find most of those women do not want to shag you and you will be wasting your time.

Hmm...

I understand where you're coming from here Twisted but think your argument needs more depth.

Would you not say that a dating site is merely another venue for people to meet one another, what exactly makes a venue a poor place for two people to meet originally. What actually makes it worse than meeting someone in a night club for example or meeting someone in a coffee shop, on the street or in a hotel lobby.

The example you've given isn't just indicative of the behaviour many girls exhibit on dating sites, they exhibit this behaviour everywhere. They are usually characterised as fairly low self esteem (even if they pretend otherwise) and just looking for validation and love, this leads them to doing things like giving a man everything he wants very quickly because she just wants him to like her. As you rightly put it though, it usually makes a guy lose respect for her, he hasn't had to work for it at all, he sees her as easy. The net effect is that he sees her as many would put it "low value" because we automatically label that which is hard to get as that which must have high value.

So, while there may be a correlation between this behaviour and dating sites I'm not sure it's correct to say it is also the causation. I would hypothesise that because it's a dating site - a venue most people turn to only when they're starting to get desperate(or just want sex) - it is populated by those with lower self esteems that exhibit this behaviour more frequently than those you might find elsewhere.

I'm not saying this is correct, I merely think this needs a more in depth look before conclusions can be drawn.

Jay let me nail that one down for you
This conversation i funnily enough had for the 30th time today with a girl im hooking up with.

ok -- the ultimate issue is CHOICE - a hot girl gets 20 + messages a day
i send hot girl a message--she digs it and we chat, exhcnage numbers and arrange a date for the weekend 5 days away -- in that time before the date she has recieved 100 messages, chances are there will be a good 15 guys in that she replies too and maybe 5 she screens down to being date worthy

date night
we hook up-- me being me dosent mess about, i get back to hers and nail her, make her cum/squirt whatever.
she thinls to herself later --"hmm hes nice i like him, wouldnt mind seeing him again boyfriend potential there."

so she has some more dates with guys one of them is UBER hot guy-- brad pit lookalike (she wonders how he could ever fancy her--there must be a catch)
they have an amazing night and she is smitten with him

so back to me-- i get no responce when i txt her because she is well into brad pit guy -- so because i am also getting lots of messages from girls ive lined up a few more dates and move on.

Brad pit lookalike guy is actually too good to be true -- he is married and tells his wife he is out with the lads and drives to this girls town, after a few weeks she finds this out and thats it---- in that time I have moved on thinking she is not interested and its too late to resurrect that first date we had that could have been a relationship.

other points are-- sending online messags takes no balls --everoyne can do it!
talking to a chick in a club is much more difficult so less action for girls
online creates a fantasy world--you enver truly know what somone is like til you meet them
meeting in a bar/pub/supermarket tends to dispell a fantasy quickly

now ive forgot the rest of my point so you can comment on that

It is very different from meeting at a venue because you don't actually meet the girl. None of the subtle communication that is normally done when meeting someone takes place as you are sending notes to eachother on a screen. It's totally fucked.

You actually answered that yourself in your next paragraph: