we are wired to do so, because good looks means healthy babies.

Test me. Your belief that aesthetics are the be all and end all of men's attractive judgements is ridiculous.

looks aren't everything but you can't wank over a personality

you're not going to approach a girl unless you are physically attracted to her first... then, once you're talking to her, you might start giving a shit about her personality.

talk about killing an argument off in one line

Men are attracted to looks first and foremost FACT, now Jay seriously man stop talking out of your arse its starting to make you look bad.

I love this Thread, i have a couple of points to make:

1)Phil you came across as a high level Male that had much higher value than her boyfriend, she got caught up in a wave of feelings and fantasy from her 'normal' life
The reality hit her afterwards after sex that the fantasy was just that a fantasy and she had to return to her normal life.
i would have felt really bad with her crying on me, id put my councelling head on and try and help her out and how she feels.

2)from the guys point of view i think no matter how you dress things up and what your morals are, there are certain circumstances that will make you deviate, KNOWONE is perfect
I always try and stay away from anytype of morality preach because ive proved to myself time and time again through others and MY OWN experience - people are full of shit and if the right buttons get pressed anyones capable of anything--including me.
somtimes you are just driven by your hormones -- like when you are ultra horny and you end up fucking somone only to cum and think WTF am i doing here and you cant wait to get out of there and get them out of your house.
maybe all the above is true of girls?

Jay - part of me would love for me and Phil to come down there and try and tempt you into the dark side of the force!

There has to be a natural process for separating high value females from shit low value bf's, otherwise humans would die out. Survival of the fittest wins everytime.

rubbish... if that were the case we would all look the same. You're sounding like a nazi Maxemillion. If survival of the fittest wins everytime, why are we not all perfect by now? Human beings are full of defects, more so than any other animal on the earth.

I've actually been seeing loads of weird evidence to the contrary lately too. Me and my mate were just talking about it the other day. There is this tall blond Polish bird that we all quite fancied and she decided to settle with the most unlikely guy imaginable, fat, greasy hair, dodgy moustache, slippery type.

Another German guy we know with a huge gut on him and pale pasty features, real dork too, introduced us to his Austrian gf... and she was fucking smoking hot, I nearly fell over!

Then I saw my ex gf out with her new bf and was quite satisfied to see that she has downgraded to some crusty with dreadlocks, squinty eyes, and crooked teeth.

Human genetics are so weird as well, precisely for the fact that survival of the fittest is no longer top priority, that you get whole families that look completely mixed. Have you ever noticed that you may get a family of say four sisters (same mother and father) and only one or two of them are hot and the others are minging?

I know a family like this and they are strict Irish Catholic and the mother and father really love each other, so there is no cheating going on to explain it. One of the daughters is like a 9, the others 5 or 6 maximum, one of who is a lesbian. Also one of their sons is gay. The other son is very athletic, ripped six pack on him, without doing anything but suffers from bi-polar disorder.

Although no doubt it comes into the equasion, simple survival of the fittest is no longer a satisfactory explanation for human kind.

I love the retardedness of this "looks first and foremost argument".

If anyone wants to point out where I said looks don't matter at all feel free. What I said was that looks don't matter at all past the point of she's good looking/she's not.

We will all look at a girl and will think yeah, she's physically attractive..... or not

Past this, looks don't matter at all, personality matters. Personality becomes the judgement of whether you want to spend more time around x person or more time around y person. You become less or more attracted based on this, ergo she is become less or more attractive. (not physically, in your head - there's a difference between being physically attractive and being attractive overall)

I bet every guy here has an ex who they thought was the dog's bollocks when they got with them but they fucking hate them so much now that she's "ugly" to you despite not changing physically at all.

Women do the same thing too, everyone does, attracted physically at first, other stuff becomes more important second though. It's just an eye catcher.

Now, if you're willing to stick your dick in someone you think is horrible I'd question whether you've got a few issues going on Phil. Why would you do that? Guys might be looking to get laid but unless they're misogynistic dicks only out for themselves then I would generally say that they're not just out for themselves on their one night stands, it's about her enjoyment too, it's about sharing some fun together. People enjoy giving someone else pleasure that they like... With that in mind I'm pretty sure nobody enjoys giving pleasure to people they think are "horrible". So either you didn't really think she was all that horrible and weren't bothered by it or you used her for your own self gratification and didn't really want her to enjoy herself because she's horrible.

That or you forced yourself through the making her enjoy herself bits on a point of etiquette, which is a bit "wtf" also. You'd have to have some low self respect to feel a need to force yourself to do something like that.

Easiest action? Don't stick it in someone you think is horrible. Otherwise you're a misogynist out for purely their own self gratification.