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coveredeyes · 03-02-2011, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by bushido

Another thing to note is don't accept any limitations, i used to take some pu "rules" to heart like in the case of the dancefloor, if you listened to MM you wouldn't go near it, fuck that...MM is for ugly people, people who are forced to go indirect to open because girls don't view them as intial visually attractive. If your good looking go more direct.. Like covert said particularly well, that you should use what you have available to you and engineer your own individual style of game based on your personality, we our all different but the key is to be your true/best self when your out.

Thanks for your advice, I really like the idea of engineering what you have to play your own game, it makes far more sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Breaker

I'm not a pro by any means, but I approach a lot with varying success, I'd like to add the following, planned openers won't bring you success, I use them sometimes but have the same success rate by saying "Hi you seem fun" or just smiling and introducing myself. It's how you come across and what you follow up with that will make the difference.

I use the smoking area a lot, it's easy to talk to people and people like being social there. I hate trying to have a conversation in which I can't hear the other person, alternatively the bar is a great place to talk to hot isolated girls. At some point I'll pretty much always ask if a girl is a dancer and try and tease them that I'd win in a dance off. They generally will get excited/competetive and say how much they love dancing or how great they are blah blah blah. Usually eject with when I see you later inside we'll have our dance off, or or similar. Do these simple steps well and it's all about bumping into them on the dance floor, showing your good fun and escalating fast. IMO the best way to escalate is to take their hand and spin them, simple but it works. The next stage is to do the same but when they are facing away from you let go and grind on them from behind. Final tip would be to pretend to know salsa or even better actually learn some. I know very little other than a few steps, but teaching a girl some is easy, great kino and makes you look fun.

Thanks for your advice, that dancing idea is great and I will be using it next time I'm out. I'm tempted to learn salsa. I don't smoke, but I suppose it won't matter too much it may just be a bit odd going around the smoking area and not smoking. Also I found last night that open questions did work, but I felt stupid saying them, it was something to talk about if nothing else.

nova · 03-02-2011, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by coveredeyes

If I am going to post up my experiences from the night here should I put them in the Field Reports section or continue on this thread?

Field Reports section. What you could do is start a thread there called for ex. 'My Pickup journey'. We've had many of these and they are a good read for everyone and you can track your journey and see how far you progressed since that first report.

The key at this stage is to get out there and try out stuff and have fun. Let us know how you get on however badly or well it goes.

coveredeyes · 03-02-2011, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by nova

Field Reports section. What you could do is start a thread there called for ex. 'My Pickup journey'. We've had many of these and they are a good read for everyone and you can track your journey and see how far you progressed since that first report.

The key at this stage is to get out there and try out stuff and have fun. Let us know how you get on however badly or well it goes.

Hey thanks for the advice, will make a thread detailing all of my ventures, seems like a good way to keep everything together.

Joe_Fresh · 03-02-2011, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalski

There is so much stuff that is in dispute.
There is some stuff that is not in dispute.

Surely we should take those things which are universals and feed them to the newbie, additionally advising them not to worry about any of the other stuff because its efficiacy is in question.

What do we think? Can we find a consensus?

Peace,

kowalski

why not, maybe u should start us off with a possible universal....

probably could do with its own thread

Joe_Fresh · 03-02-2011, 09:40 PM

2.kino escalate

Joe_Fresh · 03-02-2011, 09:59 PM

dude this so needs its own thread...this is some serious shizzle right here!

coveredeyes · 03-02-2011, 10:27 PM

From a noobie's perspective some of it is hard to follow and contradictory. I'm definitely interested to see agreed constants or undisputed tips that everyone thinks are essential.

CovertOperation · 03-02-2011, 11:12 PM

As I hinted at here...

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Originally Posted by CovertOperation

But you know, I've probably already given you way too much to think about.

...I think the world of Pick Up is hopelessly over complicated, and that a newbie is offered way too many do's and don'ts (something I know I've self contradicted with my own earlier lengthy contribution... What can I say, I always say way too much. I'd make a meal of describing how to make a cup of tea!) that cloud the mind and obscure clear judgement.

I also firmly believe that often pick up is made deliberately obtuse in order to somewhat artificially construct a problem which can then be solved with the application of e-books (£9.99, by the way).

I think the basic principles are as follows:

1. Approach women, without excuse.
2. Say anything, no pre-set routine is needed.
3. Apply kino. Lots of it. From beginning to the end.

...That's my tuppence worth, because they're the bits I've got down, and can do broadly well. Beyond that, others have suggested that follows includes escalation and closing, but I haven't done it enough nor succeeded enough in order to be able to say myself with any degree of certainty.

CovertOperation · 03-02-2011, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kowalski

Focusing only on your number 1 - Can you flesh out your 'without excuse' condition?

Approach without excuse simply means don't accept excuses for not approaching.

I've caught myself umpteenthousand times saying 'Nah, I won't bother with her, she's too <insert perceived negative characteristic here>'

And eventually, it becomes a crutch for getting oneself out of approaching.

By saying 'without excuse' I mean approach everyone. Fat, thin, fit, ugly, young, old, whatever. Open everyone, and decide later whether you want to push or not.

Phil · 03-02-2011, 11:57 PM

ye i find i do that, justifyin why u didnt HATE THAT.