Tomorrow is the first night on the job and a few concerns...
 

Hey guys, I'm going to try and draw together some tips and methods from Mystery's approach read in the Game and see how they work tomorrow night. I know I may be opening a minefield of debate but I would like to know what you guys think of his approach and if you have any tips or advice for someone trying this out for the first time. If it helps any I might be with another guy (who won't act as a wing) and will be in a full-blown nightclub rather than a bar, so it will be hard to talk to and understand the girls, but it must be a common place for this kind of thing. Also I have quite a good character/personality and looks I just lack confidence, do you think that saying cheesy pick up lines and forcing myself into an order of actions would be beneficial, or would it be better to just balls up and let it flow? Any thoughts?

Hey, thanks for the reply, so I just grab girls and suggest something fun to do? (within reason of course)

Hey CE, welcome to the forum!

Broadly, you've found a forum here where many users (I won't venture a majority, although certainly a sizeable number) broadly reject the Mystery Method / Style style of game, and prefer a more direct, natural approach.

That approach pretty much says what it does on the tin. Be natural. Be yourself.

Personally (and I know others will disagree with me on this), I'd suggest your best bet for tomorrow night is to pick a single simple open ended opener which you can reel off at will. This isn't a line which will 'work', for such a line doesn't exist (although countless PUA instructors will try to convince you it does, and they have it, and for £19.99 you can download their e-book to find out what is is), but is simply a line to open a conversation with a girl. From there, I will simply talk about anything that comes to mind.

There are broad principles to follow. Go kino, and close the physical space between you and the girl. Lead. Don't get sucked into responding to shit tests. David DeAngelo's advice of never giving a straight answer helps here - be playful and tease.

But you know, I've probably already given you way too much to think about. Very simply, go out and talk to some girls, and see what happens. Then come on here, describe your experiences, and you'll get the benefit of some extremely talented and experienced people who will critique, and suggest improvements.

RE: Dance floor game. Very simply, go there and have fun. Be there on your own terms. Fuck around, dance like a prick, have fun and enjoy yourself. You'll find girls will gravitate towards you, giving you the opportunity to engage them in your dancing.

Don't be the weirdo who stands there trying to dance with all the girls. He's weird. Hence, the 'weirdo' tag.

Two final points I'd stress:

1. You're probably not gonna go out tomorrow and suddenly fall into an abundance with women. It takes time and hard work (but, I'm not saying you won't! Go out and get stuck in man!)
2. I sense you've not read around much? Is this correct? If so, get your hands on some RSD stuff, Tyler Durden's Blueprint seminar, and Juggler's How To Meet and Connect With Women or whatever its called. Therein lie the broad principles you need. The best pick up advice provides an outline framework constructed of theories governing basic human interrelationships and interactions, and leaves your own personality to fill in the details. Other parts of pick up - MM, for example - try to provide you with a personality as well. You've already got one of them, though. You just need to use it a little.

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Hey CO, thanks for your great advice and comprehensive reply, it most certainly given me a lot to think about. In response to your question, no, I haven't read around a lot, in fact I found out about the the whole PUA community last night when I happened upon Strauss' Game (hence it being my only source of referential material :P ) I will read up on your suggestions. I think what I lack in my current approach is going kino, and letting girls know that I'm sexually interested in them. If I am going to post up my experiences from the night here should I put them in the Field Reports section or continue on this thread? Thanks again for your advice, the evening was originally just going to be a piss up, but with PUA in mind spending an evening getting hammered is probably an evening of opportunity and practice lost :p

Stick it in the Field Reports section. Tis a field report after all!

Nah man, these two aren't mutually exclusive! Go out and have a bev, have a laugh, and talk to some girls.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on :)

Thats what i am trying to change

Thanks for your advice man, will definitely let you know how I get on. I'm so up for doing this! XD

Good luck man! The trouble I've found is I don't want to seem pushy or harass girls, like I was playing ultimately hard to get which probably translated as not being interested at all.

Exactly my problem, i have a good look to me and girls would definitely notice me but i felt awkward and anxious about approaching girls, almost like i shouldn't have to, they should approach me.. thing is one of the mistakes i made was listening to a lot of the MM bullshit and/or misinterpreting pu material. By this i mean i would see a girl she would notice me and like what she saw, she felt attracted to me...however i would decide to finally go over to her after hesistating for a while... (not good) then i would ask her opinion on something...(very bad in this circumstance)she knew damn rightly that i was just to scared to tell her i liked her and my opinion wasn't genuine.. she felt like she was the higher valued person... and the fact that this girl was not even stunning but maybe a 7 and i didn't feel super attracted to her made me feel that because i was unsuccessful in my approach i felt that i was of lower value... so like a lot of people say on this forum be genuine, authentic and truely be yourself, you have to mean what you say for it to come off well and for the girl to respond positively.

Another thing to note is don't accept any limitations, i used to take some pu "rules" to heart like in the case of the dancefloor, if you listened to MM you wouldn't go near it, fuck that...MM is for ugly people, people who are forced to go indirect to open because girls don't view them as intial visually attractive. If your good looking go more direct.. Like covert said particularly well, that you should use what you have available to you and engineer your own individual style of game based on your personality, we our all different but the key is to be your true/best self when your out.

I'm not a pro by any means, but I approach a lot with varying success, I'd like to add the following, planned openers won't bring you success, I use them sometimes but have the same success rate by saying "Hi you seem fun" or just smiling and introducing myself. It's how you come across and what you follow up with that will make the difference.

I use the smoking area a lot, it's easy to talk to people and people like being social there. I hate trying to have a conversation in which I can't hear the other person, alternatively the bar is a great place to talk to hot isolated girls. At some point I'll pretty much always ask if a girl is a dancer and try and tease them that I'd win in a dance off. They generally will get excited/competetive and say how much they love dancing or how great they are blah blah blah. Usually eject with when I see you later inside we'll have our dance off, or or similar. Do these simple steps well and it's all about bumping into them on the dance floor, showing your good fun and escalating fast. IMO the best way to escalate is to take their hand and spin them, simple but it works. The next stage is to do the same but when they are facing away from you let go and grind on them from behind. Final tip would be to pretend to know salsa or even better actually learn some. I know very little other than a few steps, but teaching a girl some is easy, great kino and makes you look fun.