Even I don't usually go chasing after 10s, fucking 8s are hard enough work as it is.

When I said "evidence" I meant peer-reviewed scientific papers. Not the whole thing, an abstract will do. Wikipedia most certainly will not.

I'd also like to see evidence that increased levels of testosterone are advantageous to evolution. My view on it was that increased testosterone levels are dangerous in a potential partner and father as they cause aggression and irrationality, and are thus an undesirable trait in a potential mate.

Here's my evidence for that:

http://www.psychosomaticmedicine.org...tract/50/3/261

http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/con...endo;145/2/790

It's well known that high testosterone is beneficial to health, but obviously you can have too much of anything.

Yes it does. Go to the part about physical traits in males with high testosterone.

If you are so certain in your claims, I would hope you have some evidence to back it up. Also, what is the physiological process by which testosterone causes these traits? Is it embryological? Neonatal? Does testosterone have an effect upon osteogenesis in utero? Don't be afraid to get technical if you have to, I do have a degree in physiology after all.

You miss the point - Wikipedia is not admissable as evidence because it can be edited by anyone to say anything. Only peer reviewed papers are a reliable source of information in this context, or at the very least an edited textbook.

if you guys want answers look into growth hormone...

That's the point of being into Pick up is it not? To encourage those who thought they couldn't have a hot girl in a million years to go out and get it. Bollocks to accepting what generic mediocre society say to who should paired with who. If the 5/10 guy gets a 10/10 girl, surely you'd be thinking, hey he must be a f*cking dude!

As for all athletes being great looking, I've no idea how you've arrived at this. Wayne Rooney springs to mind. A lot of girls will be disguisted by guys who have rippling muscles and work out all night long. There is no norm to attraction. So being a hot guy takes on many forms, and it isn't always the square jaw.

From what I can gather, it starts in utero, and is due to the genetics of our parents. Of course these physical and characteristic traits continue to develop as we grow, and are driven by our hormones. Until we are teenagers, boys and girls have very similar levels of testosterone.

Elsevier

High Testosterone Levels In Men | LIVESTRONG.COM

Effects of sexual dimorphism on facial attractiveness Testosterone

Truth and testes: the pros and cons of our manliest hormone - Men's Fitness Articles | Find Articles at CBS MoneyWatch.com

You are misquoting me. I did not say ALL athletes. Go back and read the post. I said MOST of the best athletes. Of course there are always exceptions but the exception does not change the rule, that's why it's called an EXCEPTION.

Another article about the effects of testosterone on the male face.

- Do Women Prefer 'Manly' Faces?