I'm not, I know how to roll.

Without tryin to be a smartass, i wrote that cos I had to what with the 8 letters minimum bullshit.

and you wonder why she assumed that?

If she said it in a playful tone then personally like you say nova I would find it a challenge and more of a turn on than turn off, but if she was being bitchy she would get told where to go, even more so if she has a hairy muff.

I think Phil made a choice based on HIS preference of how HE will and won't accept being treated by a girl, if you will take more shit than him that has nothing to do with 'game' but more to do with shallowness (shallowness isn't necessarily a bad thing).

Bloody hell, there are far too many convos in this thread:

Nova, Phil's last post explained it. He'd clearly finished with her by that time, but she wanted to feel like it was her decision to deny, so she told him no. I've walked away from girls before, then they chase you down to tell you it's off. Wtf - get lost bitch! Phil was right to be angry.

Phil, although having the right to be angry, you shouldn't have. She did that, but who gives a fuck. You're bigger than that, SUMO.

Dan, actually read the posts. A first date is the meeting after the first encounter. Therefore a 2nd date is in fact the 3rd time you meet the girl.

The girls who think you're the best ever, I wouldn't expect anything from.

I have a theory on that though, based on my limited experience that the girls dressed sluttily are least likely to put-out up front. The conservatively dressed girls, who may look a little innocent tend to be easier (and dirtier)... based on my experience.

I believe K, that your ability to fuck most of the girls you've dated on this first night is down to your skill in choosing the right women, as opposed to your oozing, immediate irresistibility.

Another one bites the dust (first date). Jus sayin

I'm just a gentleman this way but saying, "I'm taking you home." Is a pretty common thing for me. To them it shows that you are willing to go that 'extra mile' to impress them. That instantly gives you brownie points and the conversation in the car should be the time where you REALLY start to throw in all those cheeky comments about her and her stories while throwing your own stories in there.

By the time you get to her place you initiate the kiss and just give her an excuse. My step-brother's favorite is, " I had a fun night but I'm dying for a cuppa, do you mind?" Because you we're such a gentleman for driving her home, more than likely she would say yes. Once inside just say that you've been dying to kiss her since the date site but you didn't want to freak her out in public. Escalate from the kiss to making out taking a break inbetween and talking a little more on her couch. Once that torturous endeavor is over and done with. Move in for another kiss and start escalating. She should be so turned on by this point. If she isn't then you are slowly falling into the dreaded LJBF zone. So be quick and precise.

This is what my step-brother used on two really goody two shoes nice girls. The kind that most guys would want to bring home and show her off to the family. But that's just my opinion. I've usually developed enough sexual attraction so I never really have this problem.

-Mark