yeah, but the ego needs validation self esteem doesn't.

well then im mistaken in sayin i have a big ego, coz im not assed abar validation AT ALL, i must just have STUPID SELF ESTEEM

Hence the showboating.

Hi Knave, im Marc welcome to the forum, we havent spoke on here yet. Read some of your posts man and i've just one question.

I know he's Piers147 in disguise.

Is it "golddigging whore"? That's the phrase I'd apply to any woman who was attracted to me because of my car or my watch. More fool her - my car is an Almera and my watch cost 20 quid from Argos.

Knave, I don't wish to flog a dead horse, but you'd do well to listen to alot of people on here. Some of the comments seem harsh (and a few are), but please understand we are trying to help. Any comments that seem a little impatient are borne out of a swathe of newbies coming on and asking idiotic questions like "there's this girl I like but she has 34DD tits - what should I do?!?!?!" so don't take it personally.

Rather, do what 90% of newbies don't do - stick around, man up and take our advice. You'll reap the rewards.

Knave,

Dont worry dude. Just do a search on Facebook on this forum (even go back as far as two years ago) and you will find that you are not the first and wont be the last to get slated, abused etc for using Facebook or Online Sarging. I got hammered in the early days for starting a thread on Facebook. And like you, time and time again, I was trying to put across the same argument that you did. I sarged online when I was at home for whatever valid reasons like having my kids staying over (and yes this was a very regular occurrence), I sarged at work, I sarged in the gym spa, in my local Sainsbury and when I headed out with the lads etc etc. And the funny thing was the one or two guys, who was against the whole Facebook thing, when asked how many girls they slept with since they joined the community came with a shocking number. Shame!!

As for the FB project you are doing, Im not sure the whole purpose of "testing an opener". If you need to open a new account (not fake account) solely for the purpose of PUA, by all means do it, as long as you use your photos and you are not hiding anything. But Im not sure what you mean by fake friends. Are they just random add?

Nova was right though. Best to write a field report of the 85% of your time in field to strike the right balance. Still you dont need to impress anyone. Whatever rocks your boat. There is no substitute for a field experience. I wont worry about being with a 20-year-old girl. There is no such thing about age gap. Who wont want to fuck any HOT girl as long as she is above the legal age limit? And who hasnt been in a situation with a group of girls (no matter what age) when you feel inadequate, you out of your depth etc etc?

Lastly, dont leave this forum. This is a great forum. Phil been abused so many times in the past but because he is thick skinned twat, he is still here and he actually does spice the forum up with his many threads.

Good luck!!

I feel a bit out of order with my post in hindsight mate. Its just "im not looking for anyones respect here" annoyed me a little (even though its standard not to want peoples on the internet's respect i guess, its just the way it came across and the fact it kind of undermines anyone who does reply since (well atleast I felt like) you didn't give a shit).

Also the fact people gave solid advice on why NOT to do the facebook stuff but you kind of just ignored it. All I really meant to say was, by the sounds of your field report you didn't seem too comfortable in your own skin when with this girl (and her friends). I think thats the danger with facebook etc. This whole 1o1 talking via the internet really does isolate you from the real world and the millions of other things which you have to take into account.

I'm not pro at this stuff at all but logically, I feel like its a big waste of your time going on facebook (even if its just an hour, there are so many better things to do with an hour IMO). If you're feeling out of your depth talking to a group of girls, facebook isn't really going to address that.

It could of been a bad day but it sounded to me a bit like you were used to the methodical/1o1 approach system. Then when you were thrown into a group (which is basically life), you flopped which is prob down to some of the rubbish which does come from these PUA books etc.

Also my close mate met his girl over facebook and took me with him the first term he met her. Its just standard incase she has friends who really are annoying.

Personally I think if you want to do online do it, anything to get more comfortable interacting as long as there are regular meetups, but i also think you have to do cold approaching, as this is the way forward, maybe to backup your facebook game by taking photos, but by all means do not rely on facebook