I'm pretty new at this, so this may already have been invented a billion years ago for all I know but it's worked well for me so I thought I'd share in case it was new or unknown to the forum.

This is based around the NLP concept that eye movements betray the representational system at use (Simply put, if a person recalls an image, his/her eyes go up; sound-sideways, feeling-downwards). It's best to be sitting down close and opposite to the target (such as at a bar table). Tell the target that you can read minds. You ask the target to think (in turn) of the most beautiful painting/view she can remember, her favourite song and the feeling of being on the beach/dancing/whatever she likes to do (get this info beforehand). Make her really 'get into' these memories-picture all the details of the image, hear the song in her head, remember the sensations of her favourite experience. Check her eye movements as you tell her to do all this, to see if she is part of the 99% (made-up statistic, but it's a high number anyway) for whom memories are represented in this way. Then, ask her to bring up one of those memories again, without saying which (again, tell her to really 'get into' the memory). You then tell her, triumphantly, which one it was. If you get it wrong, act shocked and go 'Wow, you're one of the 3.4 percent of people (or whichever statistic you find realistic) whose mind can't be read. That means you must be really confident to be able to keep me out...'

Advantages:
-DHV/chick crack
-Anchoring (she relives postive emotions and now may associate them with you)
-You can teach her the trick later on for another routine


Based on my opening statement, you are either welcome or I apologise for wasting your time.

Haha not saying that I take NLP as gospel (or that Bandler isn't a bit of a looney), but the eye movement system appears to be genuine from my own experience.

How about working on giving her actual positive emotions that relate directly to you, rather than borrowing ones that she remembers from someone else. This might involve giving her value, as opposed to attempting to demonstrate that you have some sort of value.

Think you misunderstand the term 'value' in the PUA context

Source for the latter?

How so? Please enlighten me.

Well, the way I understand it, value is not something you 'give' but something you must have or be perceived to have in order to attract, according to Mystery's 'evolutionary switches' theory. Maybe I just didn't completely understand the way you were expressing the term.

Jeez, sorry for being thorough. And not to be pedantic (well, a little) but the first article gives no evidence of the eye thing being disproven besides saying that one 'David Platt' (didn't he used to play for England?), 'drawing from' a German NLP website (?) 'found that the science found' that it doesn't work, making no reference to Mr. Platt in his bibliography. I'm also rather put off by the author's comparison of this basically innocent set of tricks for communication with dangerous, immersive cults such as Scientology.

All I know is many MPUA's (Gambler, Style, Mystery, Ross Jeffries) use or claim to use (parts of) NLP, including the eye accessing clues. Even Derren Brown, Britain's most famous skeptic of new age and misleading pseudo-science, doesn't condemn NLP. In his view (which I share), it is based on some valid ideas but currently taught by smug 'gurus' who prey on the weak and make exaggerated claims about it.

Anyway, we're going way off topic here. If you don't buy into NLP, don't use the routine (and once again, it worked a treat for me with a redhead 9 the other week). For the rest of you, try it out and tell me your experience.

I am expressing the term ‘value’ as it means, Dictionary or Mystery. It means what it means. You might not think I understand Mystery, but I do. In fact I am challenging Mystery’s idea that you should attempt to somehow scratch around for value within yourself and push it on her in a desperate bid to impress or win over a girl.

Instead consider the concept of giving the girl value, not in order to gain a response, but because you want to do it and don’t care what anyone thinks. This is more about being sexually unashamed. This is attractive.

II thought you would more than most realise the importance of quoting your sources Kowalski. What's to stop people just making random shit up if we never have to substantiate it? Jesus himself said that.