it feels like ur being ganged up on a little here, but u need to understand, going out with a formula to pull girls is WEIRD!

had this thread started with u sayin.

"I deceided to spend a monnth changing my behaviour to see how people act. being less nice when im out with my friends when we are speaking to girls"

everyone would have been cool

but its the fact u written it like a scientific formula with pua lingo makes it weird. u need to break from the idea that doing stuff is PUA MAGIC and be normal.

PUA ISNT COOL!!! ITS LAME AS FUCK.

Big Mac?

Unfortunately, you can't generate attraction. And I say unfortunately because if you could, I'd be out every weekend delivering openers, DHV'ing, kinoing, high energy level-ing, push pulling, yes/no laddering, all types of closing (like I tried doing once upon a time).

But it just doesn't work. Attraction is not something that can be created out of thin air. I've never seen it done, and I've never read a credible source saying it can be done. Attraction can develop over a long period of time. But usually it's the case of the girl fancies the guy a bit/or a lot, and it goes from there. That is how I've witnessed things through my almost 29 year old eyes.

If PUA worked sapmi, you wouldn't be STILL trying to come up with that special routine for attracting women. I’m not having a go at you here, mate.

You say you want to get great with women. Fair enough. How about trying to achieve this through an alternative route other than the PUA one?

of course it can, somethin as stupid as a manerism or a dream can make someone attractive to you..

it just doesnt come in the form of a special 1 liner.

sometimes, just having a normal convo with a girl & listening to them works.

That was around 2 and a half years ago at the Ritz! Anyway "There is no reason why I am not enough" is definately getting me laid, so thanks Alex RSD!

Agree with Kowalski here, that people are confusing "Attraction" with "Arousal". I always assume attraction. The point here is getting more girls aroused and turned on.

Thats where our paths seperate between me and most of the others. All of us on this forum (including myself), agree that as guys, we are naturally attractive to females, through natural selection and other things. Most of the time (more so now), I'm seen as an "attractive type of guy" to most girls. I get insane attraction by just walking through a club (most of you guys probably do aswell.

However, unlike you guys, i'm proud to be a PUA or a social scientist! (Professional woman harasser). I am experimenting with arousal and feel this will get me even more success. So, i'm concentrating on this arousal skill. Some of you think it's futile, some of you think I'm over analysing. I just think it's a fun thing to try. I respect your opinion guys that you think this experiment is futile. I'm going to have fun with it and see where it takes me.

One question. Shall I keep you guys posted? Surely if this works you'd want to know about it? If you're so strongly against this kind of experimentation, I shall not post any more field or lay reports in this particular forum.

U still after all this dont get it??

nothin wrong with experimentation, its fun. its the reason behind it.

For your own amusement = Good

For the benefit of being better at getting girls = Bad

Corrected! (how do you do the crossing out thing on here?)

Any newbies looking at this thread, Phil and Kowalski are naturals. They never really had major problems with the whole woman thing.

As far as pickup is concerned and PUA, this takes me back to an example Tyler mentions in the Blueprint, which makes me laugh out loud. To a natural, interacting with women successfully is like drinking a glass of water. Its there, they drink it, end of. Then I come over for example. I say to the natural "excuse me, can you really drink that glass of water? really?" They say, quite bemuslingly "err.....yeh?"...I say, "show me show me!! " they say "err, ok " and they actually drink the water. I say "how the fuck did you do that?". They say "I just put it to my mouth and drunk it...err...what the fuck is wrong with you, just drink it weirdo!"

So I see what your saying, as a natural, someone striving to get better with girls is a little weird. But this whole pickup thing has really been positive for me and I'm striving to get even better, out of self amusement and to improve my skills. Growth is an important aspect in all areas of life. I recognise there is still room for me to grow and improve in certain areas of my life, which is a good thing. That is why I will travel at some point.

So getting better at getting girls is a good thing!!!

As a guy who wasn't a natural and did have problems starting out, I can say with a fair bit of certainty that's not what Phil means. For a long time I would have agreed with you, but now I completely disagree. The time when this all really clicked for me was when I stopped giving a shit, started living my life without using other people's reactions to me (including sex) as some yardstick for my own personal worth, abandoned all these overly complicated ideas and started thinking for myself. Truly, honestly not caring about how I am with women made me far better with women than any PUA method ever did.

Since we're going with the 'you are enough' thing, you should think about all the things that it implies. Not just go off Alex's seminar, but actually think about it It means you are enough. In every situation. Period. And if it doesn't work out, why worry about it, you're enough anyway. If in every situation 'you are enough', then the idea of acting in any way other than being yourself is counterproductive, silly and...weird.

The whole PUA mindset is of some grandiose 'path to mastery' and it's the most unhelpful way to view it ever, like some never ending staircase where at the end of it you're banging 365 hot girls a year. Not only is that silly and undesirable, it constantly gets you thinking, 'ahh, if only I could get to the next level' and 'I'm not there yet', when a far better way to view it is 'there are no levels other my own illusory stumbling blocks' and 'I've always been there, and now I realise it'.

Remember that old Blueprint thing 'the self is always coming through'? The connotation of going out to get better is that you don't already view yourself as good enough. The way you act around girls, regardless of how you rationalise what you're doing and how much you think you're in conscious control of them, will reflect this. Especially if you're around a girl for a decent bit of time, that'll come across to her on some subtle (or unsubtle) level.

@Stein: From what you say, it seems you're basically happy. You're getting all the sex you want from the ladies (or gents) that you desire, so you don't need to do anything. Well done. If there is no more room for growth for you in this area, you're quite a legend.

For me, in every interaction, as I have said umpteen times "there is no reason why i am not enough". But I can hold conflicting view points for different situations. On one level, I am enough, but on the other level, I'm refining my skills. I get this on a very deep level, some people find this paradox very difficult to grasp because people think:

"so he thinks he's enough........so....why does he feel he needs to improve?"

Alex RSD explains this very well, so dig out the video! I am personally, as a human being, socially enough. And goodness me, being socially enough is fantastic. I am so excited for weekends, looking forward to the different people I will meet, I cant sleep thursday nights. Its ridiculous! My weekends are just hectic as fuck, beyond belief. However I feel I can still improve and grow in my seduction skills. And yes, I see it as a skill, and sometime you really have to think on your feet to pull. Its ok to feel you're enough, but, handling situations, bullshit from friends, amogs takes practice. If you have the right ATTITUDE, where right attitude is feeling you are enough, you can put these skills into practice, learn new skills and refine existing skills.

So there you are, I've link together "you are enough", with "learning new skills"....

@Kowalski: don't beat me up

Lol that's backwards. It's the fact that I'm content and realise that I don't have to do anything that resulted in me getting as much sex as I want. One happened, then the other.


So you only view yourself as circumstantially enough. I'm enough at chopping celery but not at chopping cabbage.

Once I stopped regarding them as problems things like other guys or a girls mate who doesnt like me barely ever cause me problems. One of the reasons I barely ever write lay reports is because I barely remember what I thought at all. Most people don't. Having a one night stand with a girl is incredibly simple if you stop getting in your own way. If you know natural people who get laid a lot you'll see what they have isn't some refined skill. It's no different for anyone else, why would it be? The amount of fucking that goes on without the aid of PUA is an obvious testament to the fact that this isn't rocket science.

Therein lies the problem with what you're thinking. People are build to breed. You need barely anything other than common sense your own instincts and some balls to pull. Everyone's already born with those. It's not some esoteric shit like quantum mechanics, it's just a natural process.

A paradox is not a sign of deep understanding, clarity is. If what you're thinking genuinely is a paradox, check your premises. At least one of them is wrong.