Ethics and morals

How do you feel about ethics and morals in life in general, not just PUA?

What are your own standards you live to...

Did you go through any particular journey or discovery to realise these ethics?

[RLAJay]

I try to live by black and white morals and ethics, I can't claim to do this 100% of the time because we all have lapses of stupidity that makes us do or say stupid shit from time to time, or emotional frustrations that make us lash out. The vast majority of the time I control this but maybe once a year or so I'll snap.

The thing that started off my moral change was a slow but steady realisation of hypocrisy in the industry and colleagues around me. I was quite a heavy liar and user of the most unethical principles out there. I started toying with some new ideas involving passionately feigning ethics and morals, the loyalty this inspired in others, the trust, the number of people that flocked to me, this all made me realise just how powerful being an ethical and moral guy was. When combined with the realisation that everyone around me was being absolutely hypocritical and that they weren't really being "alpha" at all, the big realisation was that while these guys were no longer seeking validation from women they were seeking it from their colleagues and men around them more than ever.

The side effect of starting down that path was that I also gained a huge amount of empathy for those around me in the end. My morals and ethics started out negatively but now stem from the absolute belief in right over wrong, though I don't claim to ALWAYS know what is right over wrong or always get things right. When I do get it wrong I will put it right again though.

[daleinthedark]

I just think to myself, what if this was being done to me?

Or how would I want to be treated in this situation if I have to be the big bad wolf?

[chops147]

great post RLA that's some good stuff their. I can definitely understand the whole validation thing cos they wanna be seen as massive pimps.

[RLAJay]

Originally Posted by chops147

great post RLA that's some good stuff their. I can definitely understand the whole validation thing cos they wanna be seen as massive pimps.

Yeah, which is fair play in relation to business. I will qualify myself to anyone that calls me out if there is any danger of it affecting the opinion potential clients might have of me, I wouldn't want to lose business.

I will not however qualify myself to anyone under any circumstances that are simply personal. There's a shit tonne of "I'm better than you" personal competition and vendettas between all the major people in the industry, to the point of being called out on $5000 bets for sarging competitions and the like. It's just plain ridiculous ego massaging.

That and the internal circlejerking that goes on under the pretense of learning when the reality was they just wanted pats on the back for being successful. One of the biggest hypocrisies is the HB rating scale which is entirely unnecessary and just plain ridiculous, in fact the looks of a person are completely irrelevant to any report at all other than "hurr hurr I pulled a hottie give me validation guys!"

When I called people out on it I got a great deal of flak for not agreeing with the mantra and the argument was always that of it being relative to confidence, which is utter bollocks as there are plenty of absolute stunners out there with extremely low self esteems.

I fell into the industry a reject teenage mess of magnitudes, became a complete dick, did a whole tonne of shit I'm not proud of at all and then went through the above changes that I'm very glad happened. Sure, I make absolutely no money now and have a small mountain of debt but at least I'm not hurting anyone now. I couldn't have continued where I was and keep the morals and ethics that I had developed.

[PostScript]

You know I've not really codified my own system of ethics. I've crossed lines I shouldn't have and learned from it, I've failed to cross other lines I should have and learned from that too. A lot of it is surely subject to identity, experience and societal influence.

Me thinks this thread would benefit from a Kowalski contribution.

PS

[RLAJay]

Originally Posted by PostScript

Me thinks this thread would benefit from a Kowalski contribution.

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Categorical imperative.

[PostScript]

Originally Posted by kowalski

Aristotle's polis is all about being involved in society and having balance in all things and harmony with your society. It is something that is learned through shared stories, observations and experiences.

I'm likely oversimplifying but what if the society itself is doing something "wrong", or based on this position, that another society deems 'wrong", like German citizens going along with the Nazi's for example? Surely that individual can't be considered "right" for being in harmony with it? Cheap overused example with the Nazi bit I realise.

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[RLAJay]

Originally Posted by PostScript

I'm likely oversimplifying but what if the society itself is doing something "wrong", or based on this position, that another society deems 'wrong", like German citizens going along with the Nazi's for example? Surely that individual can't be considered "right" for being in harmony with it? Cheap overused example with the Nazi bit I realise.

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Government != Society

[RLAJay]

Originally Posted by kowalski

I've not done very much that I wasn't proud of at the time and only very little that I was ashamed of at the time. I am pretty ashamed of some of the stuff I did in the past and I'm sure in the future I'll be pretty ashamed of some of the stuff I'm doing now. I'll still get why I did it then though and won't want not to have done those things as and when they actually happened (unless maybe I fuck something up big one day).

I have a somewhat similar mindset, I can't ever honestly want to change any of my actions if I like the person or position I am in right now. There have been immoral actions in my past, I feel sorry for those actions, I however can't change them nor would I want to change them because the experiences of my past make me who I am today. Without them I would be a very different person.

On your point about business, do you not think it's dangerously hypocritical to hold two sets of moral values?

In American airports you have to go through a nudifying machine or alternatively get a pat down (which is quite intrusive). TSA agents take care of this and have their own jurisdictory powers over people. There's a great deal of outrage and hate towards them as it takes away a few fundamental rights such as their right to travel (not sure if that's the correct term) as people who do not wish to be molested do not have a choice unless they go through the machines(which have questionable health implications). Now, the general mindset these workers tend to use is "It's my job"... Which I think is utterly disgusting. Just because something is your job does not make it a less immoral act.

Now, that's a slightly out there example, but the same principle applies to other things no?