Shouldnt this thread be moved to the fitness section? Or is pick up slowly turning into a fitness regime?

im not lost adam, i just hate how loads of guys go on about self belief..

its all nonsence, ur on a forum abut pickin up women,

and u narrow mind urself into the idea that looks dont matter... all u need is to be sound

explain this then, the soundest girl on the planet could wanna fuck me

and it aint happenin if she a moose with 8 toes, like berta from 2 & a half men.... and every guy here thinks the same.

so the fact u think women dont care about it, ur lyin to urself and destined to the scraps

Phil im seriously considering a sex change and to firing out one of your babies for that.

Christ alive, what's wrong with sorting out our heads if we're not believing we can pull a few hotties without looking ripped. Let's go deeper lads, you're scratching the surface here. F*ck all this weightlifting bullsh*t!

OK so your a well built guy whos girl tells him she likes muscles. I've had girls tell me my green eyes drive them wild - do I conclude from this, that all girls like green eyes ?.

I think we're all getting confused here. Phil was basically being told by the girl - 'You're a fat f*ck, get in the gym or I won't be seen dead with you'. The bit about great sex with her was just a dream.

I think the point is:

take 2 people:
short fat ugly guy
attractive, ripped, 6'1 guy

BOTH with the same levels of confidence and self belief

throw a stream of girls past them ala numbers game and you will find attractive ripped 6`1 guy comes out on top by a LONG way

its that simple and you cannot argue with that

Let's face it, it's a stupid point to keep making isn't it. Advertising feeds us this sense of reality every day with the muscle-bound guy selling us the new aftershave to get the girl. Why do YOU think you need to reinforce the point? Do you work for Slim Fast or something?

So are you saying that my point is wrong? are you saying short fat ugly guy will come out equal against tall attractive ripped guy or even ahead of?
seriously i want to know?

It seriously doesn't matter to me Refl3x. Perhaps you're right. But I still think so what? I'm not gonna start doing bench presses to bolster my external attraction. I get enough interest from girls as it is, but then again so what? If I'm a chode about it I'll f*ck up my chances regardless.