Hi guys,

It was a few weeks ago, I was chatting with Kowalski and we were quoting from Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, you all know the one with the famous quote that say’s “we learn about war so that we may never need to go to war”. Anyway I think it was Kowalski who said that in there, one of the statements is that if you don’t know yourself and you don’t know your enemy, if you fight 100 battles you will lose 100 times, if you know yourself and don’t know your enemy, if you fight 100 battles you will lose 50 times and if you know yourself and know your enemy, if you fight 100 battles and will win 100 times.

So as you all know now, I’m very much a book worm and have loads of books and DVD’s on Game and as Anthony keeps saying to me, that I’ve got quite a good eye for observing interactions (shame I don’t have the same eye when I’m in the set!), and after doing some reading and observing over the last few weeks I actually think we as a group could do some things to improve all our chances. I know mystery quotes about being able to get any woman, any time, any place, anywhere, and boy would I love to see you guys achieve that.

Anyway, some of the books I have are not the normal “Game” style books, some of them are written by women, to help men get women. That may sound odd to you guys but one of them for example is written by Leil Lowndes all about women’s body language as she was sick of her female friends giving guys the “come on” signals, but the guys not knowing what those signals are! This is me trying to “know thy enemy” so to speak (obviously girls aren’t the enemy, but I would like victory).

OK so onto the points then! One of the books I have covers how girls actually go out, what they do and has actually surveys’ from women in America and England and what they want a guy to do if a guy is attracted to them, what they do when they are attracted to a guy. It’s actually got graphs in there as well!! :-) So the interesting stuff in there I’ve picked up on so far is the following.

Some of the bars we go to are the wrong sort of bars to meet girls, some are great, but some aren’t. The book says that women go to some bars just to meet up, and others to actually spend time there. The author says that the best type of bar to meet women is a large bar with lots of seating and serve’s good wine as women will buy a bottle and spend a lot of time there talking to their friends. So I read that as places like Lamar’s and Blue and I can think of other’s we haven’t hit yet. She also says that the type where they only meet and don’t spend any time there are the smaller ones where they have to spend a lot of time stood up, so this is just the meet up venues. What do I have to back this up, well when I went out on my 1 to 1 workshop with David Go’shay, we met up at revolution in deansgate locks, Big Bar, Load’s of seating areas and wasn’t over crowded, but busy.

The other interesting thing that the book says is what women do on a night out in terms of time and how they think about it. It says the best time to approach is as soon as you are there as women are less likely to give you their number later on as the assume you either have a pocket full of numbers or you’ve had no success and they a lower down the chain. It also says that they have already have a plan for the night, how they will get home and what time they will leave. So the other thing is, we start our nights too late! The last few night’s out I’ve seen large groups of girls getting into taxi’s outside blue between 11:30 and 12:30. This also explains why when I did my workshop with David he started it at 7:00 and we finished it between 11:30 and 12:00. We are only giving ourselves a very small window to get decent approaches, buy the time we’ve all met up and said hi, it’s like 10:00 and even longer to get the 1st set under our belts. I think we should be getting cracking for 7:30 and in set’s by 8:00.

Like I say, I’m only posting this as I’d love to see everyone’s conversion rate go through the roof, be it swipe getting a F close every night (man your awesome enough), or sapmi getting 10 numbers ever night, or what ever. We just need to give ourselves every chance of success.

Retro

Nice post man. Eye opening since I'd never have gone out that early but certainly must try this now!

Ritz

PMSL.. oh man you've made my day with that one. Most of the time you post absolute brilliance and on the odd occasion i think you've been on that bong a little too much. This is definatly the latter..


What you got correct:

Yes when i went out with david i was not field ready, with lots wrong with my game and was definatly too much too soon. It's partly my fault, i wanted the field time and it was, at that point in time, the only way i could get it, so there for i have to be equally responsible.

What you got wrong:

David is the ONLY guy i have ever seen, that makes me believe the stuff i've read on pickup actually works. He's not only in a different league to everyone on this forum, he isn't even playing the same sport! He really can have any women he wants that night! oh and not only that, they are really HOT ones as well.

Your arguments are based on books you haven't read which were recomended to me by a very well respected relationship coach. I don't see how you can make a claim that "Women have no clue what they want". So your saying EVERY women on the face of this planet doesn't have a clue on what they want. Thats to stupidest comment i've ever heard and will keep me laughing all night! How can you label an entire gender like that, when you know well and good about NLP and how people are wired different, there will be Kino, Audio and Visual women out there how will all think differently.

I'm all about making things easy, lets face it, that's why we are all reading about pickup. How to regualrly get the girls we want, buy learning method and theory and improving ourselves so it will make pickup easier. If i can go to a bar where girls will only be there for a short period of time, where you run the risk that her mates may bounce her to another venue at any time, or one that they will be their for a while, knowing i can chat with them and get a real connection going without them laving after a couple of minutes.. I'll pick the easiest one every time. Why make things harder than they have to be. KISS (keep it simple stupid)!

Retro

I think this all stems from the fact that K and Retro have two completely different goals in mind here , no one is actually wrong !

K is out to have fun , be challanged and meet women

Retro is out with the pure purpose of finding 'the one' and having a real relationship

If K is out to have fun , be challanged and meet women , why wouldn't he go to fun places where maybe the girls will put up a challange and he'll have the pleasure of convincing her how awsome he is !

If Retro is out to find the one , and wants to do it with as little resistance as possible , why wouldn't he go to places where he has more time and less pressure of being blown out .

Two completely different ideologies , both correct in respect of the end goals

Cheers Swype :-)

Just though some of you might like the books in question (from the female point of view).

Two of them by Leil Lowndes. These have been recomeded to me by a realtionship coach (male) and if you look you will also find that they have been mentioned in the book "The Game" that style recomends and also David DeAngelo recomends them on his DVD's. The books are "How to Talk to anyone" which covers leaving hooks in conversations to keep things going, which we could all do with doing (Never the Naked introduction is particularly a good one). and the second one is "Undercover Sex Signals" which might as well me called The big book of IOI's, and anthony, this is why i can read whats going on in someone elses interaction, TOP TOP book.

The other good book, again recomended by the relationship coach "how to pull girls" by Julia Bruni.

Enjoy guys.

Retro

Cool - I'll have to check out some of that material.

some comments:

-I agree with you in places about where to go and such, but everyone wants different things – there is no point trying to get everyone happy with one place, one style etc.
My style is to go off in a smaller group - no-one be insulted if I do this, this is just what I think works best (eg, rather than 10 PUAs in one venue, more like a mini collection). I would like to go out sarging (for want of a better word) with all of you guys, preferably in smaller groups.

-In defence of the Printworks. A number of weeks ago I went to Opus with Sapmi - I really didn't like the place - I didn't like the music, or the look of most people in there (too rough). That said, I met two really cool women who I'm seeing just now - both are intelligent, beautiful, articulate, and interesting. For me, it is too crude to generalise on people and places, but I will check out the Printworks again.

- I would like to add that I’ve formally dropped the ‘who lies more’ opener out of my game, as of a number of weeks ago. haha, for some reason, whenever I see it I cringe a touch!!

I don't know how simple u want it mate...

Point 1: start night earlier - we only give ourselves a small time window 1:30 to 2:30 hours before all the girls start going home. More time = More sets

Point 2: find more girl friendly bars! - more women = more opertunity.


That's it! Why wouldn't anyone want that?


And anthony, I think you'll enjoy the Reading my friend.

Retro


Retro

My simple observation: No matter where and when, if one doesnt approach a set, it's pointless. Standing and observing is not gonna get the chicks and what is the fun in that.

I PERSONALLY dont think it matters what time it is or which bars Im in, I just want to keep working on being an approach machine like Darood, Sync, K, Swype or Jynx...once I know this comes naturally to me, maybe the nitty gritty of the best time or the best bars will come into the equation.

Much Success!!

In agreement

This post isn't an excuse for a lack of scuccess, its about improving people's success by giving more opertunity and longer time in the evening. It's about not ending up a cock central bar's rather than a hunny pot, it's about meeting great women who's only had a couple of drinks for stimulating conversarion rather than the ones that are smashed out of their heads at nearly midnight who are stuggling to walk in a stright line!