Hey guys....Riiiight now then. Heres the thing. I find it easy to get the girls that are 4,5's obviously, and there is alot of chance for F closes. Would you guys take these F closes? In my personal opinion, I dont like to take them. I am VERY fussy with females. And they have to be of a high standard for me to f close them...i have passed so many oppitunities for a f close with average looking girls. I just dont understand why i cant get this with the 8 and 9 and 10's....I know they are used to male attension, i try and game them, but seem to get nowhere ....APrently i have a player vibe about me ( and people chattin shit about me doesnt help) but i dont know, Its as if as soon as i open my mouth iv done somthing wrong lol

Hey man. Being that I religiously only hit on girls that I am very attracted to (fit, beautiful, nice clothes) then I feel your pain.
These girls can smell you coming a mile off if your game isn't super tight, and when I say that I'm talking about all the subtle behaviours (what your eyes are saying, tone of your voice etc) that you're giving off when approaching and when engaged in conversation, rather than what you're saying or whether she thinks you're a player.

As soon as you go in your head you're finished. These girls get hit on so much that they can spot even the slightest of glitches in your confidence, and 9 times out of 10 they'll just walk off to be with their friends or whatever. All it boils down to really though is you being relaxed and indifferent in your interactions. Getting your inner game sorted out is the most important part, or it was for me personally.

Also, maybe you're being a bit too obvious when you're approaching. With the really hot girls, the more subtle the approach the better in my experience. And by that I don't mean going indirect, I mean make it look like you're not hitting on her to other people, so she doesn't get self conscious in front of everyone in the club, particularly her mates. The way I've found is best to do this is state your interest, eg. you look amazing, and then quickly move the convo on to something non sexual so that you've flipped it from hitting on her to a normal convo. This way she knows that you've got the balls to state why you're stood there talking to her, but there's no pressure on her because you're just having a normal conversation getting to know each other, or whatever. Then obviously after you've built some rapport you start to escalate the situation, which will undoubtedly be met by all kinds of resistance, haha but hey if you want the 9's and 10's you gotta work for it that's for sure.

BMB - I agree that when you are going for the higher-rated girls your Game has to be shit-hot because if it ain't tight she'll spot it and the bitch-sheild wil come up and block you out...you have to be clever and either be so confident and bold and forward she'll respect your balls for doing/saying it or go so low under the radar she'll start to wonder why you are chatting to her if you're not interested and then she'll start thinking why isn't he atracted to me - and once you have her going into her head then you are free to step it up a bit because she is off-guard - it will also make any validation after this point more poinent.

Personally however, I don't usually go for the HB-numbering as it can fuck up your Game...if you approach a HB3 her status to you is low, whe-as a HB9 will be high and this will impact upon how you approach her etc unless your inner-game is fucking hot then your body language and non-verbals will give you away. Message me if you wanna discuss anything tho

i dont blame you for not going with the hb 4's and 5's, these girls expect to be hit on by average chodes anyway and so there cant be much game involved, getting with these will probably lower your social status and the hb9's/10's will pick up on this.
probably fair to say wev'e all done a wrong'un but dont fall into the trap of making them your targets or put up with accepting the 3 o'clock shags.

completely agree with shark when he talks about it messing up your inner game as you will be showing nerves and awkwardness when your sarging the 9's & 10's if you usually take home the hb4's, besides whats worse than waking up next to a troll that wants a bit of morning sex