So as much game as I've been doing, and the success and lack of success I've experienced, I've come up with a few tips to help guys who've just come on the forum and even people who are having lack of success.

Please note I am in no way an expert or proclaim to be one.

How to start

Material: Don't bother reading anything because right now all you need to do is go up to women and start a conversation. Methods don't work because they are tailored for the owner.

Wing: In my experience finding a wing is important to make you better, but this is nothing unless you can create a strong relationship. If you work in a "if someone asks me to come out" find a wing who is super committed. If you meet someone new be cool and treat them like you would a friend.

Mindset: It's cliché for me to say it's only chatting to chicks, but it really is. If you get pissed off be pissed off but it should only last 2 minutes

Anxiety: Anxiety happens to all of us, heck I don't like night game unless I'm out with my buddies. The only thing to say about it is as soon as you do it you'll feel better about yourself, until the point where it comes instinct (1 month for me).

Fashion

There are plenty of people who'd be better suited to write this section, but here's my take on it. Like everything else here this isn't a one size fits all, but it's more apparent when you've got it wrong. Allow yourself room to explore your own styles. I read this once somewhere, the first two things a girl notices about your presentation is your hair and your Jacket. Let's start from the top.

Find your style: Find a style you like preferably something which relates to you i.e. biker, hipster, businessman, etc, then look on websites like lookbook.nu or GQ, find that style and learn what makes them cool.

Hair: Determine your face shape, then either, google the best hairstyles for that shape or, google actors you like the style of with the same face shape as you.

Now that you've found that style go out and buy some stuff and make sure everything fits, if your slim you can get away with it being tight but not too tight.

Top Half: In the winter, like mother told you, buy a nice coat, maybe even a cool thick scarf. In the summer dress down loosen up t-shirt and maybe a light blazer/cardigan/jacket!

Bottom Half: All the kids are wearing skinny jeans, 2 or 3 Levis 511's are fine not too skinny, not too wide.

Shoes: Have shoes for different occasions: Smart shoes(leather), casual smart(suede), trainers.

Originality: Not to get confused with peacocking. This should only be things that you think suit you or look cool with x item. For example I have a teal suit and a leather varsity jacket, not many people are going to buy these things.

Books

There are only two books I will ever recommend and 1 book i'd half recommend.

Mark Manson's Models: If you're stuck in PUA lala land and really want to start getting success, read it, worship it, it's the man's Bible.

Daniel Rose's Sex God Method: Once you start getting success, especially when you've got a girlfriend or a regular sexual partner, this book will help you improve your sex.

Neil Strauss' Rules of the Game: If all fails and you can't get your backside out the house. Basically follow his plan daily, but don't bother with any of the pre written lines. Use it as a guideline of how you should be progressing. But none of this is set in stone. Learn slowly and repeat stages if you must.

Dates

I can't say too much on dates as I've only had a handful, but what I would say is:

a) Call a friend before hand to get you in the mood of chatting
b) Take her out close to you and bounce between bars
c) Always go for sex, if after three dates nothing happens forget it. If you can get one you'll get another.

Rules

1) Not everything someone says is right or wrong.
2) Don't take this shit seriously.

I was going to shout EGO but its a pretty tight down to earth post. I love it. Id add grooming and fashion to it. Looking and feeling good is key.

updated, looks like my procrastination is getting other shit done

Nice post man, thanks
100 per cent agree on reading models too.
Guess I'll have to ditch the feather boa and monocle though.

Yeah good call man. It's so tempting to start off by reading all the books and other material to get yourself 'prepared'. But it doesn't help at the start because you have no reference experiences to put a context behind it.

Some of the books say don't put women on a pedestal then give you the impression that if you're not a perfect man in all respects all the time you'll never get a woman or they'll dump you like a hot potato. Other one's can be ego driven and misogynistic or objectify women (targets / sets). This isn't a healthy worldview.

Women are human beings and as imperfect and fallible as guys are. They are all different. It's only by talking to a lot of women that you can learn how to gauge her level of attraction. What you do from then on is very dependant on your level of experience (competence) and what her level of attraction for you is. It takes time to develop that intuition.

To me pickup is for guys who don't want to do the common thing. They don't want to hold onto the first girl they meet that likes them, not because she's right for them, but just because they fear never meeting another one. They probably did that in the past and got burned and don't want it to keep happening.

Most guys in pick up end up with the first girl that calls them back after a lay or first girl they get along with.

Haha, guilty as charged for when I met my girlfriend of 2.5 years back in 2009. Although for my standards at the time, she was super hot!

There seems to be something inside that just keeps me coming back for more though, like I'm missing out on something. Once you see what's possible, you wonder what more you could achieve.

I would never imagine doing that!
*Shifts uncomfortably*

I don't think there's anything wrong with that per se. What I really meant was the traditional ways of meeting women often don't give you much choice who you end up with. The big thing is realising once you can do the basics you can meet women anywhere and go for the ones you want. And have a bit of fun along the way.

I don't necessarily think that fashion needs to be nailed down to 1 specific fashion sense. For example, I have a few suits, I also like the casual t-shirt and jeans and I sometimes throw on my leather jacket or some knitwear.


I openly state that my fashion sense is; whatever I like. I remember 1 time I was told of a family friends funeral just less than an hour before it started and I was wearing a "Jesus is coming look busy" top, so I got a mate to pick me up from town and lend me a jumper. On another random day I was wearing a suit with my leather jacket and got a call for a job interview asap so I just went to the venue straight away.


Plus I feel fashion has gone really gay recently, mega gay. I know 2 or 3 gay people and even they consider the latest fashion to be really gay. That must be fucked up; a gay person saying fashion is too gay.


I recently saw a few posts about fashion on another thread which bewildered me some what. If I have options I would never go to the same shop for everything I buy. Never. Not even for food. I will sometimes pick up a top in Primark, jeans in Blue Ink, knitwear in Peacocks, shoes in diesel and jacket/sweater in TopMan. Also, 2 of my suits are from M&S along with a jacket.


I vary so much with my fashion. When someone says to me "ohh I always buy from Zara because I love that stuff" I know that is simply for egotistical gain. There is absolutely no way 1 person will only buy a certain brand of clothing. I have been on dates with 2 girls who have openly stated that every piece of clothing they have on is worth £200+, so obviously I take her clothes shopping for me because girls are awesome for this (Tip there- finding it hard to find cool clothes; go clothes shopping with a female friend) and every time she'll see something she likes for herself in at least 1 shop which would slash 80-90% of her £200 per item price tag.


My advise; go for what you like. They're your clothes, you have to feel good in what you're wearing or else that negativity comes out in your attitude. Just make sure the clothes fit. It's simple enough. Think of it like you're an artist and every item of clothing is part of 1 whole collage. It's up to you to make it work but it's your expression so near enough anything will work if it's what you want. Again, part of your overall attitude.

That's why guys can go out in all primark clothes or even some builder overalls and still pull hot girls. It's their overall attitude that is on show in a multitude of different ways; their reactions, their clothes, their hair style; their humour, etc...