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Shahanshah 05-05-2012 12:54 AM

Shah's Journal
 
Thought I'd start one after tonight.

Plan


I will go out 4 times a week at night.
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday

3 nights - thursday, friday, saturday - is for proper approaching but wednesday will just be for turning up as that will be with friends and casual.

I will approach 12 girls each night making sure that 1 will be a proper one where I don't eject.

And I will progress from there/

During the day I will go out Sunday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. I already can do direct approaches, so I will do these - generally alone.

My goal each day will be to just turn up. Then make a direct approach on one girl I genuinely find attractive. This is low-key part of my game and basically a long term progression into making pick-up into something I do as I go about my day :)

This is my PLAN until JUNE 5TH when I will change it and the goals.
MAY 25TH I want to be able to generally approach girls in the club properly without bailing AND for them NOT to be at the bar (The only place I can really approach).

For DayGame its to be able to do a genuine approach through-out my day rather than having to go on a 'day sarge'

So recap:

Night - 4 nights - 3 night of approaching - Approach 12 girls each night.

Day - 4 Days, build up to direct open - Until I've done a genuine interaction with a girl I like.

GOALS:

Night - Be able to do a genuine approach without bailing on a girl I like around the club other than the bar.

Day - Able to do one approach through-out my day rather than on a sarge

lucidfer 05-05-2012 01:27 AM

If you're talking to 12 girls a night hoping to go somewhere with them, you're doing it wrong.

I'll repeat what's been said: This is not a standard PUA bullshit type forum. Drop the act, the 'game', the routine, the chasing... pretty much everything you said except your ambition to get better.

Knock off the shit that the other pickup guys elsewhere will tell you about going after girls. They're making attraction, seduction and sex into a job or skill set. It's not either of those. It's a natural function of your body, and by extension your mind.


I suggest you look elsewhere for your problems, rather than going straight for the kill (and essentially teaching yourself a one-trick bandaid solution that only works once in a while).

-ADHD / Anxiety / stress related to social situations?
-Excessive media /internet / porn consumption, or an inability to feel happy with other people?
-Feeling inadequate in any aspect of your life that you think relates to being attractive? (looks, fitness, money / car / nice clothes, etc.)
-History / bringing up? (Don't deserve a bird, didn't have girls growing up, feel left out of society, wierd mental problems brought on by over-protective parents, etc.)

there's other shit as well, but I suggest you begin to focus in on the underlying problem, rather than what's at the surface.



Steady your life, calm yourself down, clean your act up, be healthy, take care of yourself, all of which will build you some self respect and esteem, and girls will know. You'll be fucking golden to them from across the room.

Then talk to the first girl you want, don't act like a retard and be cool, and everything else will come naturally... and you won't have to go through this 12-girls a night bullshit.

Shahanshah 05-05-2012 01:37 AM

05th May 2012

First night of real sarging. I met up with 3 people off this forum - Uber, Sapmi and Joey Fresh. Also there was Stevo but I didnt have a change to properly speak to him.

We hung out and I got to know them at paramount which was cool then when we got into the club, Joey Fresh got me to open some girls using w/e words he said. That was interesting but after the 3rd approach I felt a lot more at ease compared to when I went in but I had to leave early as I had to catch a train.

That was good as my only real goal was to turn up! I learnt that its actually not that bad once your with some similarly minded people to go out sober. Next time I will go for 12 approaches and get 1 proper interaction going where I don't bail. Hopefully the guys will help me and do some 'bootcamp'-type stuff :)

I was actually amazing at how the 3 of them got opening and chatting to girls so quickly and easily. Great motivation.

Ill make my reports more concise and better for next night. Hopefully should be out on Sunday with them but Ill go out tomorrow as its on my plan.

Shahanshah 05-05-2012 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucidfer (Post 64843)
If you're talking to 12 girls a night hoping to go somewhere with them, you're doing it wrong.

I'll repeat what's been said: This is not a standard PUA bullshit type forum. Drop the act, the 'game', the routine, the chasing... pretty much everything you said except your ambition to get better.

Knock off the shit that the other pickup guys elsewhere will tell you about going after girls. They're making attraction, seduction and sex into a job or skill set. It's not either of those. It's a natural function of your body, and by extension your mind.


I suggest you look elsewhere for your problems, rather than going straight for the kill (and essentially teaching yourself a one-trick bandaid solution that only works once in a while).

-ADHD / Anxiety / stress related to social situations?
-Excessive media /internet / porn consumption, or an inability to feel happy with other people?
-Feeling inadequate in any aspect of your life that you think relates to being attractive? (looks, fitness, money / car / nice clothes, etc.)
-History / bringing up? (Don't deserve a bird, didn't have girls growing up, feel left out of society, wierd mental problems brought on by over-protective parents, etc.)

there's other shit as well, but I suggest you begin to focus in on the underlying problem, rather than what's at the surface.



Steady your life, calm yourself down, clean your act up, be healthy, take care of yourself, all of which will build you some self respect and esteem, and girls will know. You'll be fucking golden to them from across the room.

Then talk to the first girl you want, don't act like a retard and be cool, and everything else will come naturally... and you won't have to go through this 12-girls a night bullshit.

Thanks for your advice :)

Taking care of my other aspects such as career, education, gym and well being (meditation) are things I do already with daily habits/goals.

When I say 12 girls that's more because I don't see myself having interactions lasting that long (whereas in the day I know I can do 2 or 3 and probably get a number), obviously if at number 6 I get meet a great girl who's into me I'll stick with her :)

I like your advice but making sure I'm clearer in my reasons and what my idea is so far.

What type of forum is this then? Any posts or anything I can read to understand the philosophy of this site?

I generally read/watch RSD and 60years but also some daygame websites for my daytime outings.

Shahanshah 05-05-2012 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lucidfer (Post 64843)
If you're talking to 12 girls a night hoping to go somewhere with them, you're doing it wrong.

I'll repeat what's been said: This is not a standard PUA bullshit type forum. Drop the act, the 'game', the routine, the chasing... pretty much everything you said except your ambition to get better.

Knock off the shit that the other pickup guys elsewhere will tell you about going after girls. They're making attraction, seduction and sex into a job or skill set. It's not either of those. It's a natural function of your body, and by extension your mind.


I suggest you look elsewhere for your problems, rather than going straight for the kill (and essentially teaching yourself a one-trick bandaid solution that only works once in a while).

-ADHD / Anxiety / stress related to social situations?
-Excessive media /internet / porn consumption, or an inability to feel happy with other people?
-Feeling inadequate in any aspect of your life that you think relates to being attractive? (looks, fitness, money / car / nice clothes, etc.)
-History / bringing up? (Don't deserve a bird, didn't have girls growing up, feel left out of society, wierd mental problems brought on by over-protective parents, etc.)

there's other shit as well, but I suggest you begin to focus in on the underlying problem, rather than what's at the surface.



Steady your life, calm yourself down, clean your act up, be healthy, take care of yourself, all of which will build you some self respect and esteem, and girls will know. You'll be fucking golden to them from across the room.

Then talk to the first girl you want, don't act like a retard and be cool, and everything else will come naturally... and you won't have to go through this 12-girls a night bullshit.

Also how do I find out these underlying problems? :P If I knew them I'd work on them!

lucidfer 05-05-2012 03:57 AM

Well, maybe I misunderstood your original post. I'm just suggesting to not try to talk in pickup lingo, be in a pickup mindset, use pickup as a lifestyle rather than a hobby or a thing you're playing around with, etc...

DONT LET IT DEFINE YOU, LIKE SO MANY OTHER GUYS OUT THERE.

Pickup should be something you come into, play around with, get better or get out, and move on. Not something that becomes a cornerstone of your life.


As for how the main attitude of this forum is, it's less about the normal 'pickup' stuff that's taught, and more about setting yourself up right to become naturally attractive and masculine. 95% of the pickup stuff out there is going to come from the mindset of trying to fake yourself or trying to appeal to a woman. the other 5% (or less!) is going to try and reinvent you so you just are these things. Most of those will still have you doing pickup stuff, but there's something better IMO, and that's to strip down the crap that's holding you back, and to rebuild a solid foundation, and then shortcut 90% of the pickup stuff.

I'm not sure how to go about finding your own problems, it's different for everyone. If you're having issues with women, I suggest you try and figure out where those started. Go back as far as you can, pinpoint events. Look for patterns. Try and figure out what might have caused these, look for reasons in how you were brought up or how you viewed the world when you were younger. Somewhere in there are the clues for why you've never had great success with women.

I wish I could be more specific for your needs, but I'm in the same situation myself right now with trying to undo how I was raised and the years worth of emotional walls I've put up to protect myself from a world I didn't understand and wasn't instructed with how to deal with. It's been slow, but it's surely helping, and I really look forward to experiencing the positive changes that are going to continue to happen for the next few years.

All I know is that doing the normal 'pickup' stuff doesn't have a very high long term success rate as far as happiness or relationships go. Either way, you're better than 95% of pickup guys out there for simply being here, rather than elsewhere.

sapmi 05-05-2012 09:54 AM

Mate!
I admired your enthusiasm out in the club last night! Glad to see you were approaching. I think once your comfortable with touching girls in a dominant and leading (non pervy) way, it will fall into place for you, extremely quickly, you can go for the kiss as an afterthought, and easily take her home (where I fucked up last night, she agreed to come back to mine at the end, but I lost her and didnt get her proper number!...learn from my mistakes! ring her phone after you number close, not 3 hours after!).

I love hugging in every interaction, especially in the smoking area, where it's cold. I know you dont smoke, however, the smoking area is a fantastic place to mingle!

Shahanshah 05-05-2012 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapmi (Post 64858)
Mate!
I admired your enthusiasm out in the club last night! Glad to see you were approaching. I think once your comfortable with touching girls in a dominant and leading (non pervy) way, it will fall into place for you, extremely quickly, you can go for the kiss as an afterthought, and easily take her home (where I fucked up last night, she agreed to come back to mine at the end, but I lost her and didnt get her proper number!...learn from my mistakes! ring her phone after you number close, not 3 hours after!).

I love hugging in every interaction, especially in the smoking area, where it's cold. I know you dont smoke, however, the smoking area is a fantastic place to mingle!


Sure man, you still on for Sunday night? I'll find somewhere to stay and we should start a bit earlier this time :)

Aye you were really going for it in the club from what I saw

sapmi 05-05-2012 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shahanshah (Post 64862)
Sure man, you still on for Sunday night? I'll find somewhere to stay and we should start a bit earlier this time :)

Aye you were really going for it in the club from what I saw

Yeh, really frustrating when you know you're about to pull a girl into a taxi to yours and it fucks up at the last minute :(

Sunday is fine.....we'll meet at the club itself at 10 on the dot...i'll put u down for the guest list :)

Shahanshah 05-05-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapmi (Post 64863)
Yeh, really frustrating when you know you're about to pull a girl into a taxi to yours and it fucks up at the last minute :(

Sunday is fine.....we'll meet at the club itself at 10 on the dot...i'll put u down for the guest list :)

Ah cool, I'm out tonight in my home town too to be fresh for tomorrow.

Shahanshah 07-05-2012 12:18 AM

Saturday 07th May 2012

Okay went in town with some friends - they were already in so I went to meet them.

I completed my success criteria which was to just turn up!!

"80% of success is showing up" - Woody Allen.

I didnt do any approaches, I actually didnt even plan to as I dunno it feels like too much of an event to be doing it whilst with friends.

Shahanshah 07-05-2012 12:33 AM

Sunday 07th May 2012

Went to Manchester alone! Got into the club around 10:30 and it was heaaaaaaving. I went to 5th Avenue at a foam party. I was so nervous, also the fact i'm in a neighbouring town makes it more of an event to get out to Manchester.

I could have gone to a party with friends but then I wouldn't approach at all and felt I needed to do some stuff and desensitise myself to it all a little.

It was actually surprisingly easy to get out which sounds a bit silly but I always built up going out alone and to Manchester as a reallllly big thing.

I managed 3 approaches - all attractive girls actually BUT it was just like whilst waiting to get to the bar (to order water). Bone sober. The interactions didn't get passed a few words.

Also I spoke to a guy too and he actually was pretty cool and just bought me a drink. I know to try and see it just being sociable FIRST then 'PU'.

During the whole 2hours I was there (last train is at 12am or I could do the whole night and get the 5am one just i feel nervous about spending a whole night out when I cant even have a real approach yet) I felt utterly tense, shifty and self-conscious. Like my body was imploding on itself.

Questions

1) Should I go straight for girls I find attractive OR meet less attractive girls, get comfortable getting them to the lay, then work my way up to hotter girls.

2)I cant approach girls who aren't waiting in line to get to the bar, I think its because I just can't go up to a group or even a 2set. Is this something that develops with time or am I just being a pussy and need to man up?

3) After the initial thread of conversation, the opener, I always just leave the interaction. Maybe its because I just haven't warmed up enough (as It takes me a while for each approach) or should I go straight to introducing myself.

My aim is to be able to be direct or at least open h/e but in a direct way if that makes sense as I liked the Random Word Game Joe Fresh taught me :)

Overall I turned up and actually spoke to 3 girls. Awesome.

NEXT TIME: Speak to whoever, guy or girl as soon as I get in and learn to relax whilst in there. Loosen up and don't lose your EC. Spend the whole night in Manchester too.

So relax and speak to the first person I see when in there: "Where's the toilets".

Shahanshah 07-05-2012 12:35 AM

Sunday 07th May 2012

Went to Manchester alone! Got into the club around 10:30 and it was heaaaaaaving. I went to 5th Avenue at a foam party. I was so nervous, also the fact i'm in a neighbouring town makes it more of an event to get out to Manchester.

I could have gone to a party with friends but then I wouldn't approach at all and felt I needed to do some stuff and desensitise myself to it all a little.

It was actually surprisingly easy to get out which sounds a bit silly but I always built up going out alone and to Manchester as a reallllly big thing.

I managed 3 approaches - all attractive girls actually BUT it was just like whilst waiting to get to the bar (to order water). Bone sober. The interactions didn't get passed a few words.

Also I spoke to a guy too and he actually was pretty cool and just bought me a drink. I know to try and see it just being sociable FIRST then 'PU'.

During the whole 2hours I was there (last train is at 12am or I could do the whole night and get the 5am one just i feel nervous about spending a whole night out when I cant even have a real approach yet) I felt utterly tense, shifty and self-conscious. Like my body was imploding on itself.

Questions

1) Should I go straight for girls I find attractive OR meet less attractive girls, get comfortable getting them to the lay, then work my way up to hotter girls.

2)I cant approach girls who aren't waiting in line to get to the bar, I think its because I just can't go up to a group or even a 2set. Is this something that develops with time or am I just being a pussy and need to man up?

3) After the initial thread of conversation, the opener, I always just leave the interaction. Maybe its because I just haven't warmed up enough (as It takes me a while for each approach) or should I go straight to introducing myself.

My aim is to be able to be direct or at least open h/e but in a direct way if that makes sense as I liked the Random Word Game Joe Fresh taught me :)

Overall I turned up and actually spoke to 3 girls. Awesome.

NEXT TIME: Speak to whoever, guy or girl as soon as I get in and learn to relax whilst in there. Loosen up and don't lose your EC. Spend the whole night in Manchester too.

So relax and speak to the first person I see when in there: "Where's the toilets".

Shahanshah 07-05-2012 09:04 PM

Was going to go out today. Dressed up, did hair, gathering my money, keys, ID etc when I looked outside RAINING!! Pouring it down.

For a day Im not scheduled to go out. . . maybe not.

I'll do it tomorrow instead. 42nd street I hear is good tomorrow.

My rules of success which I think are important and to remember (should probably get them tattooed on my forearm):

1) Turn up
2)Approach/do what's needed to be done
3)Have people/wings/mastermind group.
4)Education/applied knowledge
5)Positive attitude

Yes, I have read Napoleon Hill and these seem to be the main habits/mindsets that stand out to me at this point in my life.

Shahanshah 09-05-2012 12:55 AM

Today I went out at night, got lost in Manchester looking for 42nd Street.

Was quite nervous about going to a club I had never been to before by myself. Had to ask for directions. I get in and its empty! I mean a few people were there but nothing were you could chat up girls.

Anyone know good places to go to on Tuesday or does 42nd street pick up after midnight?

I left straight away because it was so empty, I thought hanging around a dingy club alone whilst its quite was a bit too weird for my liking.

I turned up yayyyyy.

Then I spoke to a hot girl in the street as I'm planning on getting back into my day/street game (I stopped after I got my first 2 dates from them and worked on night clubs for a bit. Also my sleeping pattern is almost nocturnal).

So tomorrow I'll do some day game in the city centre. Once I can do my genuine interactions comfortably in quiter places and on benches/girls standing around I'll go do it in the busy Market Street.

As I can open indirect in the market street with almost any girl BUT I could never get passed the opener on asking for directions whilst they're on their way somewhere.

Will be fun. So tomorrow Im out in the day and night :)

Day: Turn up and approach.
Night: Turn up.

ninjaelephant 10-05-2012 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shahanshah (Post 64918)
My rules of success which I think are important and to remember (should probably get them tattooed on my forearm):

1) Turn up
2)Approach/do what's needed to be done
3)Have people/wings/mastermind group.
4)Education/applied knowledge
5)Positive attitude

What would be your rough "rules of engagement " if the rules above where not present?

Shahanshah 10-05-2012 03:50 PM

What do you mean? If i didn't follow them I wouldn't even be here :)

HammerTime 10-05-2012 05:42 PM

Man, it's great you're here - it's the first step. But skimming over your posts you're planning this out like you're invading France (Approach, approach some more...don't do anything and hope the enemy surrenders their undergarments).

For the best part, you need to change two aspects. They're not 'approaches', you're just talking to people. Noticed I say people, not just girls. The best nights I have are when I just go out, ideally with a few mates but one will do and just become the social centre of that bar. I talk to anyone, girls, guys, mixed groups. It sounds gay, but if you can't get started talking to some girls, talk to guys. Float around a bit, the girls will see you being 'da man.

Being just generally really sociable will work wonders. When that becomes natural and you can spark up convos with anyone, work on escalating (only with the girls tho). Think less of 'hitting on girls' and more of 'owning this bar/club'.

Stopping a girl in the street while she's on her way to somewhere with a false reason is not only weird and desperate, but hard to move on from to spark new areas of interest. This is one of the bits I hate about PUA - lying to girls to get them to talk to you.

Cut down your field reports too, then more people might read them and you'll get more helpful feedback.

Shahanshah 10-05-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HammerTime (Post 64996)
Man, it's great you're here - it's the first step. But skimming over your posts you're planning this out like you're invading France (Approach, approach some more...don't do anything and hope the enemy surrenders their undergarments).

For the best part, you need to change two aspects. They're not 'approaches', you're just talking to people. Noticed I say people, not just girls. The best nights I have are when I just go out, ideally with a few mates but one will do and just become the social centre of that bar. I talk to anyone, girls, guys, mixed groups. It sounds gay, but if you can't get started talking to some girls, talk to guys. Float around a bit, the girls will see you being 'da man.

Being just generally really sociable will work wonders. When that becomes natural and you can spark up convos with anyone, work on escalating (only with the girls tho). Think less of 'hitting on girls' and more of 'owning this bar/club'.

Stopping a girl in the street while she's on her way to somewhere with a false reason is not only weird and desperate, but hard to move on from to spark new areas of interest. This is one of the bits I hate about PUA - lying to girls to get them to talk to you.

Cut down your field reports too, then more people might read them and you'll get more helpful feedback.


Thanks for your advice! I like the 'owning the bar' bit.

Yeah in the street I do direct, although not on girls walking yet.

Right now I'm working on being able to have a genuine interaction with a girl without ejecting! At the opening part as you can see :)

I'll work on cutting down my field reports.

HammerTime 10-05-2012 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shahanshah (Post 65000)
Right now I'm working on being able to have a genuine interaction with a girl without ejecting!

I had this problem, so I forced myself to stay in there.

Now I never eject until they either:

a) Throw their drink at me
b) Call the police
c) Scream and dive through the nearest window

If you can 'close' any of those scenarios, you're well on your way to being a total sex pest... sorry, I mean PUA.

chillem 11-05-2012 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shahanshah (Post 65000)
Yeah in the street I do direct, although not on girls walking yet.

cripple game?

Phil 11-05-2012 07:52 AM

spade + graveyard

Necrophile Game!

Joker 11-05-2012 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chillem (Post 65003)
cripple game?

I thought 'cripple game' was pretending to be a cripple then sparking out unsuspecting women that offer to help and tossing them in the van...? It's the only opener I really use these days. You can't beat the classics. Say what you like about Mystery and Style with all that 'talk, talk, talking stuff' they say you should do, but they got nothing on the direct 'gripple game' of Buffallo Bill and Bundy if you ask me. Just don't get 'cockblocked' by the police and your home free...:eek::p

HammerTime 11-05-2012 10:52 AM

Joker, you think to much.

Shahanshah 12-05-2012 03:46 AM

Haha thanks for the replies guys! Even if they aren't exactly relevent!

And chillem you know what I mean :p Seated girls, standing girls, although as soon as I got it 'down' as in could go from open - close I stopped doing it in order to focus on night time BUT I'll get back into it when my sleeping habit is a little better.

Also thanks HammerTime for your advice on not ejecting.

Shahanshah 12-05-2012 04:01 AM

Friday 11th May

Went into Manchester to meet up with a guy Joe Fresh introduced me to. We met and I explored some new bars. They were cool and my first 2 sets didnt go passed just an opening line and then them going off.

In Hula Bar, I got speaking to a tall hot blonde and I didnt eject straight away! Yay! I did keep asking a few things and saying things. Probably 5 sentences in all haha still really good for me!

Went to another bar which was actually really good but i didnt open in there, me and steve just chatted and I met Carmuda (I'll have to look up his username as I dont know how to properly pronounce or spell it!).

Went to 5th avenue by myself as Steve had to go. Inside I couldn't open for ages! Until a really hot girl with some random fake glasses on

Double tap on the shoulder "Hey I like your glasses" and me, the chode i am, actually froze as she started straight away being playful and joking around and seemed into me. Probably the hottest girl of the night so far and I must have stared at her for 5 seconds before accepting the fact she was messing around.

Anyway, we chatted a little and she went, I was not being fun enough obviously. I won't even say what I said to her playful reply! God awful :P

Had 2 other good interactions at the bar of 5th avenue, these 2 went really well and i got off the initial opener/thread of conversation!! Woohoo!

Also 2 hot blonde girls looked at me and one of them grabbed my face and said "You're really cute" I blew it in 30seconds obviously but ya know still it was nice!

Straight after one of the girls I had spoken to earlier came up to me and said she was having a good night because of our conversation, still I couldn't carry anything on. I just froze!!

Still I can only really open at the bar other than one approach when i walked passed a girl and said happy birthday (she had a bd badge) then spoke to her about that. Also when leaning at a table I saw a girl smiled and waved - she returned them.

Also with 2 of the interactions I introduced high-fives for w/e reasons.

Still I know the thing is just me ejecting or not carrying on the conversation! At least 3 girls I could have carried on or even had a good time with.

Overall I approached about 12 or so girls (some just in the street mainly asking where to go, just to keep in the mindset). Next time I'll try and take it a little bit further with some girls.

Also I met Sapmi in the club and we chatted but we mainly did our own thing, I wouldn't say I'm good enough to wing for him anyway. Glad to be around guys who are good at this; Steve, Sapmi, Joe and Zach are really cool guys.

sapmi 12-05-2012 05:06 PM

You'll get there. I'm glad you've noticed i have quite a loud voice in the club. Talking loud but not shouting is useful in a loud venue like 5th. As an opener, rather than hi 5s, shake hands, eyecontact and kiss on cheek (just another way to experiment with). You can talk about anything to the girls, as long as you find it amusing/amazing. Nothing creepy like bestiality though.

Shahanshah 14-05-2012 04:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sapmi (Post 65057)
You'll get there. I'm glad you've noticed i have quite a loud voice in the club. Talking loud but not shouting is useful in a loud venue like 5th. As an opener, rather than hi 5s, shake hands, eyecontact and kiss on cheek (just another way to experiment with). You can talk about anything to the girls, as long as you find it amusing/amazing. Nothing creepy like bestiality though.

I'll try them when I'm more comfortable :) Right now I usually tap them on the shoulder then say w/e usually "How's your night going?"/ "What you celebrating?" or sometimes an observational opener. That way I keep out of my head.

Out in Manchester for definite tonight mate :) Sorry about Saturday but the train times were confusing and looked like I had to wait till 8am for a train!


Quick Reminder

Time goes by so fast, its the 14th!! I have 11 days to get to my goals which are to be able to have genuine approaches with attractive girls during day or night (but not necessarily any time/any girl if you get me). Damn can't believe it goes by so quick and how little I've done towards it. Must get out there during the day.

I mean I've realised how little opening is, sometimes I think it's more like I'm just fine where I am rather than any anxiety and I just don't give myself that push to do it. Also I jerk it a lot haha so I don't have some insane sex drive driving me.

Saturday

Couldn't get out to Manchester so I went out with some friends, we didn't get out till stupid o'clock (1:30am) and I didn't open any girls or anything.

I gave Eye Contact to girls as I walked about the place, a few requites.

Seeing as my goal is 25th May - my birthday - I may as well attempt to go out every single day. Using Tuesday and Sunday as pure day time as I don't know anywhere in Manchester that is busy enough for solo night outs.

Also I read a post by IJJJJI who said about how if you plan too much you end up not taking enough action or even any action and become a habitual planner not action taker. I think this is me, I have so many plans for stuff yet never do it!

Really feel I don't take enough action, even with girls in my everyday and social circle etc. Must use this as leverage!!!

EDIT: I genuinely didn't plan on opening either, just getting out there was enough for me :)

Shahanshah 15-05-2012 05:36 PM

Tuesday 15th May 2012

Today went to Manchester in the daytime to help get back into speaking to girls in the day time, I looked back to when i last went out properly in the day time to speak to girls AND IT WAS AGES AGO!! OVER A MONTH!! Literally as soon as I could go direct and then got 2 dates, i just slipped out of it for a variety of reasons - but mainly being lazy and breaking the habit of going out daily which I had nicely tucked in for a month.

Went out today shattered, did 4 approaches of hot girls and was just Indirect directions type nothing beyond a response and on my way whilst keeping EC tight.

Do it tomorrow and add a compliment on the end and then maybe go direct again, always need a break in day or two even after a 1 day off let alone a month!!!

Definitely feel more comfortable and at ease with the whole thing these days.

Shahanshah 17-05-2012 06:04 PM

Wednesday 16th May 2012

Last night I went out for a friends Bday, planned on being sober but actually got a tad drunk.

It was a small student club where you see the same people pretty much all the time. Turned up though and that's my goal.

Although there was one girl we always make eye contact, not like massive but I see her around quite often but I have this habit of thinking situations like this probably means they think I'm weird. Rather than EC'ing me because they like me. Probably because they are actually hot girls. . .

Also I saw a girl I like out (not One-itis, long story to explain situation) but I couldn't really do anything. Not sure if its just clubs still, like she's off obviously with their friends walking around the club.

Then I scare myself out with going up and speaking to her again in the club, especially seeing about 5 or so guys within the social circle (not my friends but you know of them around the uni) all hitting on her, as she is out of my league tbh. Also I don't think she likes me anyway, although that's all to do with your technique right!!!

Grrr fuel for the fire to fucking get better at this day and night.

Im quitting Facebook too, what a load of bullshit, also I find these are an extension of that whole "people on the internets" thing. Everytime I feel like "checking on facebook for a girl or w/e" or looking online for posts on forums, i will go for a walk on the street and find a girl to speak to OR meditate.

Peace out.

Maxemillion 17-05-2012 09:13 PM

facebook is a lonely bullshit place

Shahanshah 17-05-2012 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxemillion (Post 65282)
facebook is a lonely bullshit place

haha so true! Its ironic its called a social networking place when all you're doing is distancing yourself from people.

Even girls you speak to are only putting you into to "Friends/flirt on Fb but not speak to you in person" zone.

In fact, as I'm typing, isn't it odd that pua is considered weird yet things like facebook aren't? Not that I care.

Shahanshah 17-05-2012 11:57 PM

Thursday 17th May 2012

Just back from a very short solo night out at 5th Avenue. I turned up though and thats all that matters.

As soon as I got near the club I froze up, nearly walked away. Then I forced myself to walk over, really self-conscious, got in and just stood about it wasn't very busy (around 11ish). Then I got really paranoid/aware that people were noticing me by myself and obviously very nervous/anxious and stifled.

Then some guy tried tooling on my but I just nudged him away then I left. Probably in there for no more than 30 minutes but I turned up. It was getting busier as I left, so next time I will go there a bit later 12-3 period. Its £1 to get in, I can't miss out on a night so cheap in Manchester.

On these solo sarges I like it to be so busy I can be 'lost' in there, when its not so busy I feel way too on show.

I get thoughts like even if i did speak to this girl its only going to last 20 seconds then for the rest of the night she'll see me standing by myself.

Tomorrow guys are out in Manchester such as Uber and I'm guessing Sapmi, Steve and possibly Joe Fresh! Will be fun :)

Might turn up to Improv, kinda nervous to turn up :p Seems fun though and I'm sure I'll meet a few people who go out too.

dan300 18-05-2012 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Shahanshah (Post 65288)
I get thoughts like even if i did speak to this girl its only going to last 20 seconds then for the rest of the night she'll see me standing by myself.

I fucking lol'd at this bigtime i just imagined "the weird creepy guy all alone in the corner" hahaha.

But its only ONE girl. Dont let her see u standing all alone, let her see u talking to the next girl, & the next girl etc etc.

Even if ur simply using the same opening line on every chick u see "u look fucking incredible" is much better than standing around.

If u feel paranoid, u look paranoid.

Shahanshah 18-05-2012 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dan300 (Post 65290)
I fucking lol'd at this bigtime i just imagined "the weird creepy guy all alone in the corner" hahaha.

But its only ONE girl. Dont let her see u standing all alone, let her see u talking to the next girl, & the next girl etc etc.

Even if ur simply using the same opening line on every chick u see "u look fucking incredible" is much better than standing around.

If u feel paranoid, u look paranoid.

I wish i could do that but I freeze up and basically I couldn't open anyone and even when I can its few and far between :/

Hopefully with time this will improve, Im naturally very inhead.

HammerTime 18-05-2012 07:27 AM

It's a catch 22 sort of situation, but think of it this way. If you do that to 5 girls, hang in on the convo for around 2mins each at least, then all the other people will see you having spent the first 10-15 mins in the club, talking to a shit load of bitches.

Your are now that awesome guy who seems to know a load of girls. Then you'll feel good about yourself as you'll have made a few girls laugh, got on good name terms. Also now you know that if you have another quite peroid soon, you can go back and talk to some of those earlier girls again.

Never stand alone at the bar (or anywhere) as it just looks creepy. Heck even if you talk to the bouncers/bar staff for a bit, get on their good side so that in future you feel like you own the club.

Shahanshah 19-05-2012 06:11 PM

Friday 18th May 2012

Got out late into Manchester and got into 5th avenue and straight away spoke to some girl whilst waiting to put my jacket in the cloakroom (around 2minutes), saw Sapmi and met his wing Tricks.

Was stalling on starting conversation other than saying hey to some guy at the bar, ended up chatting to a fat girl for a while but I wasn't going to take it anywhere.

So far my openers are things like "Hey how's your night going?", "Hey what are you drinking?", "What are you celebrating tonight" type stuff.

BUT the main thing I noticed through-out the night was I was making excuses to speak to girls rather than just having them for the sake of conversation, like one was a 2set about signal in the club and how I'd lost my friends (kinda true though) and another was 3 girls about prices of drinks and then ejected. They were the hottest of the night really.

The lesson I'm learning is to really just make conversation with everyone around you,socialise socialise,socialise, don't eject from girls, don't eject from girls.

Also I think I spent to much time hanging around with Sapmi and Tricks, I should have been speaking to more girls. Although we did have a good interaction with these 3 girls although one of them was being annoying and too sarcastic, i went along with her 'frame' when really I should have told her to stfu and act normal or we're leaving.

May sound harsh but cba putting up with people who aren't going to have a real conversation with you.

Anyway it was towards the end of the night 2:30 that I started to feel really comfortable in the club. Definitely feel better with wings - no suprise.

So tonight I'm going to just start conversations with everybody around me, last night I missed way too many. Also lines are great places for speaking to people as they're stuck with you! :P Also its quiet and away from the club vibe.

OH and I will not buy any alcohol tonight, last night I was being a bit self concious with how much water I was buying and ended up buying a lot of drinks. Hydration and sober ftw

Peace.

Shahanshah 19-05-2012 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by amit1207 (Post 65350)
By the way well done for going out and putting you out there, it is at least one step in right direction.

Thanks Amit1207! Thats my only 'skill', is that I'm prepared to go out every night. I would say day but right now my sleeping pattern is quiet literally nocturnal. Wake up around 5/6 lol.

Shahanshah 20-05-2012 08:16 PM

Okay going to start setting more objectives/newbie missions whilst out.

So far Ive got 5 girls a day during the DAYTIME: This can be done in my local town rather than going to Manchester. I used to be way too scared I'd be seen/known by people I know but now its okay.

And at night in the club, I will set challenges like "Introduce myself to 12 girls" or w/e. "No more than a minute between each girl/person I talk to" or w/e.

Watched Fight Club last night, since I was about 15 its always had a profound effect on me for days/weeks afterwards. Definitely as important to your well being and life as any other book/meditation or seminar.

Shahanshah 22-05-2012 06:28 AM

Saturday 19th May 2012

This night I went out thinking of Manchester but missed one of the last trains and felt that getting there at the very last train/later trains would have made me miss out on too much of the night to get my money's worth.

So I went into Bolton with a few friends and didn't approach. This is a recurring problem/issue to deal with. Approaching with friends.

I feel too on show. By myself or with a wing i feel like "Oh this is okay as right now Im alone and if i speak to this girl I would be doing what my purpose is" knowing my wing is fully non-judgemental.

NOW Im not saying my friends would judge but I feel that with non-pua people its more pressure. Like they wouldn't say "Oh cool dude you had a go" they'd think "Why did it go bad? How did you not get with her?" If you get me.

Although I know my friends are cool and wouldn't actually think that. My issues I guess!

Also I went out last night again with friends into Manchester for a Bday. So I set myself a small goal. 5 opens and nothing had to come of them. Just literally open, not even go any further.

I did 4 and 1 girl opened me too on my kerrraazzzyyyy shirt (although it wasn't peacocking!!), this doesn't count the one or two girls I spoke to but didnt actually turn to look at me and I just turned away. Why am I so anxious about casual socialising? My opener is simply "hey hows it going/how's your night going/what are you celebrating?".

Anyway, next night out is wednesday

Wednesday - turn up
Thursday - solo and approach
Friday - wings, hopefully they will help push me to open girls in groups around the club properly and do ONE GENUINE APPROACH "hey i wanted to meet you :)"


Also, to help with my opening asap, I might do a week where I go out with the sole goal of to open as soon as I enter the club alone.


Good night!


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