I have just been out last night in a loud and super crowded club. After I arrived, I had some fun with my friends and then I approached a two set. I run a basic opener and 2 esp tests. Everything want fine, we laughed at the esp tests and then we danced for like 5 min. In the mean time we also played the best friend test and find out that they were cousins. Great. A few minutes ago I asked them if they have ever kissed each other before and they were like nooo, no, no. LOL. After that I got stuck and excused me for a few minutes. I am asking you guys for a good routine in a loud club. I know that it is more about the calibration but what is your opinion on isolation? When is the best moment to isolate the target?

Richard

I'm no expert but I wouldn't put too much emphasis on routines and talking in a noisy night club. Richard la Ruina(Gambler) says that it's much more effective to force a response before you open( raising your drink or shooting her with pretend pistols), calibrate on the response and get to the good stuff without too much talking, just physical escalating. Correct me if I'm wrong though )

You asked two cousins if they kissed each other. Why?

I have asked them about kissing before knowing that they were cousins, but that is not the point here. I thought that they were some kind of best friends. We were having a good time so it was just for fun.

My post was about isolation in loud clubs. If you have something to say about that it would be more useful then changing the subject of the conversation.

All the best,

Richard

I did't come here to argue. I am just saying that some of the comments don't seem to fit this post and here I am talking about kowalski's post about porn. I have't seen the logic of that comment. I know that there are strangers all over the place chatting here and I think that some of them are still mature about all this pick up stuff. If I wanted this kind of response I would had asked my ''neighbor''.

This would be my last response to personal remarks.

All the best,

Richard

My question was to determine how socially adept you were. You can understand in the world of pua, most people (I'm talking 80-90%) come from a place which is lacking of basic social skills. This by no means means I'm looking down on people who do not have social skills, this is merely to calibrate how to answer the question. And also it gives me a chance to make friends, the proper way, with good old fashioned banter

It was a joke. Ease up. You're going to need to learn to take shit like that in stride, both on here and in real life. If you do this on the long term you'll get shit said to you in jest in real life that's way worse than that.


Anyway, if you want to stick to the topic, here it is.

First off, canned game in general is to be avoided, but it's expecially daft to do it on a loud, crowded dance floor. Main reason it's especially bad there is it's loud as fuck, people can barely hear you and they aren't there to chat anyway. Doesn't mean you can't hit up people on the dance floor obviously, but whatever talking you do has to be pretty simple stupid. SHit's generally more physical.

Second, you're getting ahead of yourself. If you're chatting to 2 girls and you're ducking out after 5 mins because you feel stuck and awkward, you aren't at the point to push shit forward. You need to at the minimum get to the point where they're engaging you as much as you're engaging them, and where you feel comfortable and natural carrying shit on. If you're looking to get laid on a night out most of the time you're going to be spending several hours with these people.

Isolation in general is bullshit anyway if a girl's actually into you. If she's comfortable around her friends she won't care. If she's into you and she's not comfortable (rarely) she'll just wander off with you. The friends don't mind this if she's cool with it, normally they'll either give you guys space, or if she's just there with one mate you can try and find her mate a dude together while you all chill. It happens pretty organically.


In other words, don't get ahead of yourself. Drop the routines and get used to sustaining interactions comfortably with people for longer periods of time. Get that down and you'll be way less confused on how to make shit happen.

Right, back to the problem at large. What you are specifically asking for is a routine for a loud environment and how to get a girl alone with you.

What you need to first say to yourself, what are you trying to achieve. If you are socially aware, you'd know there isn't a some sort of magical way of chatting to birds.

Why don't you do this, go to a loud club with your buddy and try to have a conversation next to the speakers. What you'll quickly find is you can't talk. But what you can do is communicate. With your gestures, with your facial expressions. You can understand why a gambit doesn't work here. Alternately you can speak in your friends ear...which may turn you gay, so use at your own risk.

To get a girl on their own, it'll be obvious, either her friends will go off or she's just talking to you. Come up with a decent excuse to take her to see your favourite watering fountain away from her friends.

As is normal on this forum, we cater every answer to the person we talk to. Get off the routines, structure is fine in the beginning, understand what you are trying to achieve. But eventually you need to get out of it and freewheel. But most importantly, don't be a weird cunt.

edit: fuck sake Stein...

I totally get your skepticism and I appreciate your comment. I am here to learn, make friends and have fun. I have probably been to serious about all of this and I will change that.

All the best,

Richard

I'll be damned if I get beaten to a lengthy explanation of game minutia.

Also,
Like this I'm assuming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-tEy0A5JQs